Of course, those accomplishments meant something at the time they occurred, but ultimately, those accomplishments were dwarfed by failure to go further. So, when you gain perspective by widening the scope a bit, it's clear that Chad was never going to be the answer at Qb. Whether or not Mark's development has been stunted by external factors is not really the issue anymore. His contract his overpriced, he makes egregious mistakes, and he doesn't have the surrounding cast that HE needs to be successful. All signs point to moving on.
i remember reading a shrewd post or 2 about gmac being best suited to the WCO a couple years ago. wouldn't that be something if he turns out to be the most productive. a true system product.
That's an interesting comparison (O'Briens demise vs Sanchez') and I totally get it. I remember O'Brien having successes as long as the O-line gave him enough time. But when that became the exception rather than the rule, Kenny started taking viscious hits and really paid the price for holding the ball too long. After awhile, he almost automatically assumed (what I call) the "Praying Mantis" position on almost every passing play. The poor guy would get so rattled he'd just curl himself around the ball and take the sack. Pete Carrol was 100% right. Sanchez had no business coming out and wasn't ready. He had 16 starts while surrounded by oodles of talent and we draft him thinkiing this is all fine, the idiots that we are. So then what do we do? We annoint him and insert him (unlike with Chad, who had much time to develop). The results are, we've got another skitterish QB who has learned to play scared as hell. It has affected almost every aspect of his game now, unfortunately.... timing, judgement, ball security even game management. In the end, O'Brien was "just shot" as McNealy says about Sanchez and pretty much for the same reasons. Mark is playing scared, looking scared, throwing scared and probably now even competing scared against Smith. This is all truly unfortunate but at least we drafted wisely this time, getting a very good value for the pick we made on Smith. As for Sanchez, I'm afraid his days are numbered because, like O'Brien, he doesn't seem to have the ability to "unlearn" all the skitterishness that's been pounded into him. Even the crowds at TC have booed him, so he does really look "shot."
HE GOT HURT and his career ended, we had a team capable of going to a SB in 2008 Miami did not. he elevated a team w/ half the talent we had to being better than us. W/ Chad we could have won a SB in 2008.
O'Brien never won a playoff game and got injured late in 1986 which altered his career. There really isn't a valid comparison btw the 2.
A healthy Favre was a better option than a healthy Chad. We would have still had to have gone through Baltimore and Pittsburgh, two teams Chad had a horrendous history against. His arm was just too limited⬇
I love Chad, he's the main reason I became a Jet fan. But this a bold assumption based on your opinion and not logic. The Jets were not a Super Bowl team w/ Chad in 08.
We made two mistakes that were no fault of Sanchez's that doomed his stay here. 1. We stripped all of his talent on the offensive side of the ball. When we expected him to take a step forward - instead of giving him the tools to be successful we wound up taking them all away. 2. We gave him that ridiculous extension. Let him start until the bye week and then move on.
Chad was a great QB against teams that were one-dimensional on defense. If all they could do was bring pressure he'd hit the dump offs and make them pay. If they were a coverage team that blanketed the field he'd eventually find the seam, the sideline route or the corner of the end zone and make them pay. If they were a strong pass defense that brought consistent pressure and covered receivers well he'd go into a defensive crouch and just look for his outlets, usually short of the 1st down, and the offense would stall repeatedly.
In fairness Brad, couldn't you say this about every QB? Pretty much ALL QBs struggle when they face defenses that can cover receivers AND pressure the QB. That's a rare combination that most defenses can't duplicate. Pennington was just an accurate QB that the league figured out. Cover the middle of the field. He struggled throwing to the sidelines, especially when he couldn't use his footwork under pressure.
Clearly it was not. Chad never faced Bal w/ us so how did he have a horrendous history against them? 2004, 2005 and 2007 games he missed w/ injuries. vs. Pitt he played them w/ a torn rotator cuff in his throwing shoulder and despite not having a strong game gave us 2 chances to win it late and our K missed in the '04 playoffs. In 2003 vs. Pitt in a snowstorm he led us to win, in '04 reg season he was just back from injury and still injured so where is this horrendous history?
We didnt take all of his tools away. We let Braylon walk because he was asking for #1 WR money, and we had already paid that (stupidly) to Holmes. In hindsight, we shouldnt have paid either big money, but then we would have been stripping him of talent. We let Thomas Jones go, signed LT. We had Keller, eventually drafted Stephen Hill and we tried to hit on some middle round RBs with McKnight and Powell. They also tried to draft our future RT or RG in Ducasse. Now, basically all of these moves havent worked out as planned, but they still tried to build a solid foundation around him. We couldnt afford to sign Braylon, and thats about the biggest change that occured. Woody also retired, and there's nothing we could do about that. Some peopl make it seem like we had absolute shit around Sanchez in 2011 (2012 is a different story due to injuries). He had a solid cast around him- no tremoundous weak spot. He was just asked to do a little more and he crumbled at the end of 2011.
Manish Mehta Mark Sanchez, working with the starters, looked sharper than Geno Smith today. #nyj 12:09PM EDT Eric Allen Sanchez finished SAT night on a huge high and he carried that momentum into Monday's practice. Maybe his best practice of camp. 12:01PM EDT Seth Walder Sanchez threw a ball over the fence behind end zone. Should have been called for intentional grounding. "Nice throw," Antonio Allen yelled. 12:08PM EDT if he tried to make something out of nothing and threw an INT everyone would groan.
I'm not even going to reply to this with a worthwhile response because I don't get into crystal ball debates, the way that you do.
A healthy Chad Pennington was a better QB than a healthy Brett Favre? No. Just no. I forgot Carter played against Bmore. But the 2008 game as a Dolphin he was awful. His arm just couldnt stretch the field against defenses that had the athletic ability to dare him to throw it down field. Yes, Brien missed two kicks, but Chad had a poor game was well. Couldnt care less about the injuries, if Favre isnt getting a pass for playing hurt then Chad shouldnt either.
You don't? didn't you just tell us w/ your crystal ball that mark wants a cushy backup gig? You have nothing to debate, Chad took over a team w/ half our talent and led them to an 11-5 record and a div title, favre led us to 9-7 and one of the great chokes in NFL history.
Now you are confusing 2 different arguments. For that team Chad was better than favre for us, Chad knew the O and didn't have to learn a new O w/ a month to go before the season and Chad WANTED TO BE HERE unlike Favre who was busy giving tips to pakcer opponents on how to beat GB rather than learning our playbook. He had no weapons to throw to in 2008 w/ Miami, once Bal shut down the run they had nothing. I don't care what he did against them as a dolphin, you said he had a poor history- that was incorrect.
