this is beyond stupid in its reasoning. You do realize that when trading for Sanchez you are trading for his contract as well, don't you? and that contract has base salaries of $9 million, $10 million and $12 million for the next three years, and cap hits of $13 million, $15 million and $13 million. one, Tebow did not have that contract, so it is asinine to claim that simply because someone traded for Tebow they would trade for Sanchez because there are significant differences in the situations of trading for either one that go beyond whether Sanchez is better than Tebow. secondly, if the Jets are going to trade Sanchez, they will also release him after the season. which means he can be picked up without wasting a drat pick on him and not having to assume his current contract. the only way a team would trade for Sanchez and his contract is if he plays so lights out that he deserves it. and if he does play that well to desreve his contract, why the hell would the Jets trade him if he played at a level worth his base salary? if the argument is that they would renegotiate with Sanchez or cut him, why would the team risk that? and why would Sanchez do so?
We also paid half of Timmy's guaranteed $$. No reason to assume another team might be willing to split the bill. $4.5 mil isn't a terrible deal for a QB with his success at his age, And that's what the Jets would be paying him next year if they release him anyway.
it isn't about what the Jets would pay him next year, it is why would a team be willing to assume the remaining value of Sanchez's contract. no team is going to trade for Sanchez for just one year, so it isn't just a $4.5 million deal, because they would have to pay him $10 million the year after that or release him. it is more than fantasy to think any GM would look at Sanchez's history of performance and find that he is not only worth spending that kind of money on, but also giving up draft picks to obtain.
Currently yes you're right, After last season no one would. However, If he comes out and performs throughout this season I can definitely see it happening. Which is what I stated when I started this. Let him start and see if we can get some value for him. There's also nothing saying he won't restructure, and in fact has throughout his career. He's been the consummate professional amongst media ( and a franchise to an extent ) that act like amateurs. There are teams out there with worse QBs then Sanchez.
I don't see the logic in having Sanchez start with the hope of increasing his trade value. If he crashes and burns again he could have less trade than he does now, which is really saying something. If Sanchez is the clear winner of the QB battle, he should start. If increasing his value comes as a side effect, great, but I would hope that wouldn't have any bearing on who they choose to start. Also, as others have pointed out, if he plays well enough that he starts the whole season and the team has a good year, why would they turn around and trade him the following year?
Is there anybody left on the pro-Sancho bandwagon? Now that he's not able to put any significant distance between himself and Smith, looks like nobody got back on the bus after the last rest stop. Next stop....Genoville!
Having less trade value then he does now is actually saying very little. We're cutting him at this point most likely, So his trade value is 0.
By all accounts Marty M's WCO is very QB friendly. Sanchez should be positively blooming in it if the seed still has any growth potential. Instead he's up and down and basically looks like just another guy trying to win a job in training camp. At some point it's going to sink in with all of us that the Jets cap this year is based on the QB because the last guy is just a guy and the next guy is a rookie learning a new offense in his first training camp. That's what's going to keep the Jets from getting lucky and having a wild up season. In 2009 the last guy wasn't even in-house any more and the next guy was a rookie. The Jets scored 112 points more than they gave up, that's a TD better than the opponent a game, and they barely squeaked into the playoffs at 9-7 because the QB play was so bad for much of the season that nothing the rest of the team did mattered.
and what did he do to WIN the game in the other losses? its not just about games that are losses directly related to mark throwing ints or fumbles. he more often does not do the things necessary to win the games. his great plays are not with regularity. his great games are few and far between.
so a week into yet ANOTHER new system(3rd in 3 years) he should be blossoming? Mark cost us 2 games in 2009- at NO, vs. Buf. Our overrated D couldn't seal the deal on a bunch. It wasn't on him why we squeaked in and we did get in, right? we had a nice pt differential in 2008, I must have missed the playoff run? It is amazing what you guys will blame on him w/o giving him any credit for the success. It's actually sad. Reminds of the scapegoating of Herm, Chad and Schottenheimer.
so it is all on him? Loss at Miami: led us to 27 pts, that's not good enough to beat Miami? Miami averaged 22.5 PPG that year loss vs. Miami: led us to 25 pts, that's not good enough to beat Miami? loss vs. jax led us to 22 pts, Jax averaged 18.1 PPG that year he didn't do much vs. Atl or at NE but that's 3 losses where he did do enough only to watch his D or STs blow it but it's all on Mark.
let's see: at Miami: led us to 14 4th qtr pts including TD drive to take 3 pt lead w/ 5 mins left. vs. Miami: brought us back from double digit deficit in 3rd qtr, D allows only Miami offensive Td in 4th and we can't complete comeback. at Jax: led us to TD drive to take 2 pt lead w/ 5 mins left Nope, he played more than well enough to win. Our D(at Mia, vs. Jax) and STs(vs. Mia) let us down.
Your opinion doesn't matter. I just wanted to liven up your weekend. I know it is time for you to give it up so heres my response. Be thinking about it all weekend and loosen up those fingers bro.
Didn't think I would ever side with a Miami fan. Then Hobbit and junc happened. You're a bright spot on this forum, Beach.
Ah, I think I've identified this season's Sanchez excuse. I felt sure that it was to be "lack of offensive weapons" again.
if Sanchez plays this season at not only a level that keeps Smith on the bench but is worth the salary of his contract next year, and thus another team would not only be willing to pay it but give up a draft pick for it, why would the Jets trade him and go with an unproven QB? the Jets would have their QB and his name would be Mark Sanchez. the only reason why they drafted Smith was because they didn't think Sanchez could perform at that level; if he does you don't need to start over with Smith. the very premise just doesn't make sense.
Funny, you list team stats to try to support the argument. TEAM stats. Yet you claim it's mark who's led them there despite the fact he turns the ball over more than he scores, even in the years that he "led" the Jets to the playoffs. The Jets won more in spite of Sanchez than because of him in the regular season those two years in which not only did he turn the ball over more than he scored but also the Jets were amongst the worst in 3 and outs. In the playoffs they won 3 of the games by having Mark do as little as possible, the 4th playoff win I do tip my hat to Sanchez and put that win on his shoulders. He played very well all game in that game. And that's the maddening thing about Sanchez, about 1 in 4 or 5 games he'll make you go WOW, the kid has it...but the other 3-4 games he will have you slamming your head into your desk going WTF. Yes the Jets won with him those first two seasons, but the simple fact is you could have plugged just about any other QB in the league in there (there are a couple exceptions, but not many) and the Jets get just as far. (with the one exception of the game I do give Sanchez kudos on). But lets look at the facts since you want to talk team stats. 2009 the Offense ranked #20 in scoring at 21.8 points a game. The passing game ranked #31 in total yards and #29 in passing TD's with 12. The running game ranked #1 in total yards and #3 in rushing TD's with 21. The Defense ranked #1 in points allowed with 14.8 per game. So lets see Sanchez Contributes very little but he's the reason they made the playoffs, yeah right. 2010 The offense ranked #13 in scoring at 22.9 per game..vast improvement, but still middle of the road. The passing game ranked #22 in total yards and #23 in passing TD's. Bottom 1/3 of the league, again in both categories. The rushing game ranked #4 in total yards and #9 in Rushing TD's. top 1/3 of the league in both categories. the defense ranked #6 in Points allowed, again top 10. But yet you'll still maintain it was Sanchez who led the Jets to the playoffs. So here's your argument in a nutshell. You are arguing that a QB who turned the ball over more than he scored, who "led" his team to the playoffs by throwing fewer TD's than 28 other teams and the other year by throwing fewer TD's than 22 other teams. And you bash the running game and defense on both seasons for being subpar when in reality the running game both seasons was #3 and #9 in scoring both seasons and the Defense was #1 and #6 in points allowed both seasons. But yet it was mr bottom 1/3 of the league in points on the board who "Led" the Jets to victory through his bottom 1/3 of the league passing while turning the ball over more times than he scored. That's really your argument? REALLY?
