We're talking about 3 of the greatest of all time here too. Both Montana and Brady have had more playoff success than Peyton. No one would blink an eye at having them ranked higher overall than Peyton either. Which I'd probably agree with anyways, Brady for sure. However- regular season success is a huge component for determining how good and how much value the QB has. If Rodgers continues his pace and only wins one SB over his career, he'll still be one of the best to ever play the position.
So, to clear it all up: 1. It is perfectly Okay to have multiple, different standards to assess the performance. 2. As for the HoF quality QBs, they must post 158.3 QB rating, with 45 TD/3 INT performance annually, along with VLT to go, to be deemed successful. In this metric, Peyton fails nearly every year. So does Tom Brady. So does Brees. So does [Insert-highly-successful-QB-of-your-liking.] 3. Sanchez is not HoF quality QB, so his ass fumble is Ok. His extreme INTs are all Ok. His fumblitis is all okay. Sanchez is still doing mighty fine. All else are what you call external circumstances, and not his fault. In this metric, Sanchez not only looks pretty fine, but also not a failure that the above QBs are. 4. Since they are assessed in the different metric, you can now safely say Sanchez >> Brady, Rodgers, Manning, Brees, et al. Now, do you agree with the 'multiple standard' bullshit? No sane person in this world does, except one.
The guy has been caught talking out of both sides of his mouth so many times its shameful. Just a couple pages back he said something about how was Flacco close to winning 2011 SB cuz he didn't make the SB yet he said that Sanchez played well enough to win a SB in his playoff performances when he never got to a SB. If you have a good memory it is so much fun to grab a cup of coffee or popcorn and just read and laugh.
It's not though. He ruins the experience of exchanging information on the Jets and football in general because he is so wrong so often and so stubborn despite numerous people calling him out on his bullshit.
We are and there has to be a way to separate them. I separate them by how they played in the biggest games. All 3 had tremendous reg season success, what seperates them is postseason. Rodgers is off to a great start but he has a long way to go to get in this discussion. Pull up the examples? you can't just like you can't debate me, all you do is whine. I have roasted you so many times it's not even fun anymore. I don't ruin anything, I bring knowledge to the board or else we'd have folks like you posting your misinformation and deceiving the other posters. You call me wrong yet can never prove it, how interesting. You are good at hurling childish insults through.
nyjunc is obviously trolling everyone. He makes excuses for Sanchez and crucifies our defense, but crucifies Peyton and excuses the Broncos defense. He's not exactly the best debater in the world. Hypocrite.
Sanchez was, and is, an embarrassment. This thread is divided into the majority of people who believe that and the minority who are delusional. Unfortunately for everyone, it's likely that Sanchez will see the field at some point this year. When this happens, Sanchez will shit the bed again. The day Sanchez takes the field, and embarrasses himself and the team, junc will be in the thread rationalizing away Sanchez's pathetic performance with all of the same, tired excuses he has been spouting for the last two years. Those who embrace objective reality will see more, unneeded, confirmation that Muck Sanchez is total Dog Shit. This is a certainty.
Stop piling on nyjunc. If you don't like what he has to say, it's simple, do not respond to him. If you continue to respond to him we can only assume that you enjoy reading and responding to what he has to say. In case it wasn't clear, this is not up for debate.
There is nothing hypocritical about it. The defense is our #1 unit, it has more pressure on it to perform and thus they are judged on a tougher scale. Peyton manning is an all time great, why should we sue the same scale to judge him as we do mark Sanchez? The greater the unit or player the greater the expectations and when they fail the harsher they are judged. It's like expecting some of you guys to intelligently debate football, I have low expectations for most of the anti sanchez crowd b/c clearly they don't know what they are watching when they give up on him and blame him for everything.
We've agreed on that. Brady and Montana, if you want to use playoff success to put them ahead of Manning- I have no issues. My issue lies with you thinking Manning isnt a top 10 guy. Keep this in context. There's only one Brady and one Montana. Bradshaw won 4, no one's putting him in the discussion. Great QB's lose playoff games. Elway, Marino, Kelly, Moon, Favre, Rodgers, Brees, Roethlisberger, Young, Tarkenton etc....Other than Marino, Manning is better than all of those guys. If you want to use Unitas and YA Tittle and Otto Graham as guys who are better all time, sure- I just never saw them play. But you keep comparing Manning to Brady and Montana. Im comparing him to the others.
It doesn't make sense. Judge everyone to the same standard. If our defense gave up a big lead, then when Peyton's defense gives up a big lead, judge them to that same standard. If Peyton throws a bad interception, when Sanchez throws a bad interception judge him to the same standard. The passive aggressive insults really doesn't help your position, either.
Didn't you know that Junc is the only sane person on the board: Peyton is just slightly better than Mark. Mark is only 50% to blame for the Titans loss. Mark's interception in FG range was like a great punt. You guys just don't know this game. You are all average fans. I absolutely enjoy reading what Junc posts. It brings more laughter to my day than a good Seinfeld episode. :smile:
I had him as #10 in my list. Great QBs lose playoff games but how many had the talent he had around him? how many lost so many home games? so many one and dones? More is expected out of Peyton manning than mark Sanchez.
If you would pay attention you'd learn and thus be able to intelligently debate in the future. You are wasting a valuable opportunity to break free from the average fans.
Losing a home playoff games means little anymore. As a Jets fan we should know- there's no trophy for participating in the AFC Title game.In the grand scheme of things, the overall picture, Manning losing a home playoff game after the bye week vs losing in the title game on the road arent a whole lot different. Neither get you recognition. As far as talent- all teams that win SB's have a lot of talent.
You don't say? More is expected from a QB who is better? I just can't believe it I mean it is pretty obvious that people don't expect much out of QBs who are consistently bad and they expect a lot from QBs who play consistently well. That doesn't mean you grade the bad QBs on a curve.
Agreed. What it boils down to imo, is nyjunc completely overrates Sanchez's playoff wins from 3 and 4 years ago- like they're indicative of the type of player he is. Looking back now- those wins means little. And Manning losing playoff games doesnt make Sanchez's wins any more special.
