Try the whole sentence, "These assholes they always get away", he had previously mentioned the break ins. Put that together and those that "always get away" seem like "they" would be the "assholes" that were breaking into peoples homes. There is no way to show race had anything to do with it, race was mentioned once and it was when the dispatcher asked Zimmerman if Martin was white, black or Hispanic. It seems from the transcript of the 911 call that Zimmerman thought he was suspicious because he was walking around in the rain. While you may say that there is nothing wrong with walking around in the rain, it is also not wrong for someone who lives in a complex that has had multiple break ins to think that someone strolling around in the rain could be up to something and to check it out further. The wrong doing came into play when one of the two approached the other with the intent of physical harm.
In your scenario you need to specify, does Martin hit Zimmerman a couple of times and Zimmerman dies as a result? or does Martin continue beating Zimmerman after he is incapacitated when Martin has the ability to get away. In mixed race cases of SYG in Florida that involve fatalities 4 of 5 blacks who killed whites went free and 5 of 6 whites who killed blacks went free so the same rule does apply in many cases.
yes, he could have. that is why Zimmerman's testimony is not the only evidence at the trial. you are ignoring all of the other evidence that supports his version, which means you aren't interested in finding out whether what he said is true or not. the question is why are you choosing to ignore the evidence that supports his version of the event? likely because you simply have an agenda or bias against him. now "they" (or more honestly, as has been already addressed to you, "assholes" is a racial term?) get the fuck out of here with that nonsense. beyond that, 17 years old is not a child, so your dependence on dishonestly presenting Trayvon as something he is not simply to make it a more emotional situation (Zimmerman killed a young adult, not an "innocent child") further reveals you aren't interested in discussing this from an honest perspective and are another one with an agenda or bias. Zimmerman very well may be guilty, but the evidence known at this point makes it less likely than more likely.
You people claiming Martin was innocent have yet to answer the question, WHY DID MARTIN BACKTRACK TOWARDS ZIMMERMAN WHEN HE WAS COMPLETELY OUT OF ZIMMERMAN"S SIGHT? There is an animated map with the phone calls and moving dots on the web. It shows you what they feel happened. Zimmerman was sitting at the curve of the street watching Martin. Martin approached him and walked by him into an alley of houses. Zimmerman then got out of his car and followed. Police told him not to, but he continued. Martin took off running in the direction where he was staying with his family member and Zimmerman followed. Zimmerman than stopped and turned back around to head towards his car. While doing so, he was on the phone with the dispatcher giving him directions on how to get to where he was. When he hangs up, Martin had turned around and approached Zimmerman. WHY WOULD MARTIN HAVE GONE BACK TOWARD ZIMMERMAN IF HE WAS CLEARLY SCARED AND RAN AWAY? Who would do that? If someone is following me, why would I fear for my life but go back towards where the guy following me is? Why? Not only that, but Martin took off running toward where he was living at the time. So in theory, Martin feared for his life and was scared that Zimmerman was following him, so he took off running. He headed straight towards his house where he was living. Instead of going home and going inside the safety of his house, he turns around and approaches the same guy who he feared less than 10 minutes ago. Seems logical LOL
State has a lot of ground to make up after last weeks mess. This has been an interesting morning thus far.
If the Prosecution loses this trial, it will be the second high profile murder case in Florida lost by an inept prosecutor's inability to make his case.
Prosecution's main goal today was to prove that the voice screaming was Martin's voice. They bring in a highly experienced guy who goes on to say that it is almost impossible to determine who's voice that was screaming LMAO
George "Child Molester" Zimmerman? http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/16/george-zimmerman_n_1676729.html Pure speculation.
1) Race may have had very little to do with the series of events that led to Martin's death but it certainly was Zimmerman's justification for suspicious activity (as opposed to suspicious activity justifying itself). 2) There IS something wrong when said neighborhood watch patrolman is in way over his head and follows the supposed suspect. Gun ownership isn't a license for stupidity to put oneself in poor situations, especially when a professional advises otherwise. 3) To be fair, neither approached the other with the intent of physical harm: Zimmerman approached Martin with the intent of stopping a crime and Martin approached Zimmerman with the intent of standing his ground. To assume that there is always at least one individual that approaches an eventual physical conflict with the intent of physical harm is absurd; sometimes sh*t just happens and escalates.
Zimmerman is heard on the phone saying that Martin took off running. The murder then happen right where the alley starts, where Martin was originally seen when he took off. Here is the map. The green line is what Martin was said to do. The police sergeant said this is the BEST possible scenario that occurred. Notice how Martin takes off running and then turns around and heads back.
Does that mean he was completely out of his sight? Does that mean he "backtracked", as opposed to being unfamiliar with the area and being trapped in a fight-or-flight situation (a situation similar to how Zimmerman's quandary is portrayed)? There are very few actual facts in this case, and while reconstructing the events of the case is helpful to some I'd argue that it just further complicates a case where the victim and perpetrator both screwed up. IMO it really just comes down to whether or not one believes that Zimmerman acted properly in his pursuit, and everything after that is irrelevant or speculation.
How long had he lived there? Are you forgetting he's from So FL? Ah yes, because he visited there several times, he's thereby familiar with the area (especially in the dark AND under distress that makes sense LOL).
I'm sorry, I stand corrected. He was visiting his father's fiance's house. He had been there "numerous" times and had made that same trip he was making to the gas station "numerous" times. He knew where he was going. If he feared for his life he would have taken off toward the house and never looked back. He also was shot dead 70 yards from the house Martin was visiting. Martin could have easily gone inside and been done with it.
1. This is entirely your own view, there is no justification to state race had anything to do with it. Martin's stepmother doesn't even think race had anything to do with it. 2. How is it wrong? No one knew how this was going to play out, to say it was wrong because of the end result is really useless. There was no illegal activity until the first person laid hands on the other person. 3. Wrong, someone had to have made the first move to initiate a physical confrontation. It doesn't matter if I call someone an asshole, if they swing on me first they initiated the physical contact. Things can escalate all they want, if the shit that happens is someone punching another person then it doesn't matter what shit happened prior to that.
He got out because he was looking for a house number to give the dispatcher the exact address he was at. He then said that Martin jumped out of nowhere and sucker punched him in the nose. He did what anyone would. Call the police and then try and get an accurate address as to where you are.
that is absurd. if Martin was the instigator in the confrontation with Zimmerman, he inherently cannot be standing his ground. standing your ground means you don't have to retreat from a threat. there was no threat if he had escaped from Zimmerman's pursuit and was free to go, but instead doubled back to confront Zimmerman.
