Thanks, I'm not real certain how good the defense will be this year, we have potentially 7 new starters on the field and the defense suddenly got a LOT younger. There are a lot of unproven players that will be playing major roles this year and as has always been my case a coach can only do so much and only has so much influence on the game, it's up to the players to make it work. With a very young and inexperienced defense I do expect a lot of mental mistakes this year. Maybe they surprise me, but I do expect the defense to not be in the top 10 this year. I love Rex's schemes, and I love the upside of the talent on Defense But I'd be lying if I said I didn't have concerns about the lack of experience, and depth in a couple defensive areas, namely Linebacker and Safety.
I'm really excited to see our new. Finally we might able to get a pass rush without sending crazy blitzes or overloading stuff. I'm really excited to watch our defense. It got extremely younger, now let's hope it got better.
Defense is the one part of our team I'm not worried about at all. The line is deep, the secondary is deep, we have young linebackers now. Our D will be a top 10 unit for years to come, even without Revis. I'm much more concerned about offense.
Translation, naming them would be an embarrassment. but there have been a few teams with better defenses in any given year, except 2009 where the Jets D allowed the fewest points in the NFL. But overall Defense over that 4 year span, The Ravens, the Bears, and probably the seahawks.
go back and check how many leads our "great D" blew, check what they did in the 2 title games then get back to me. You like rankings, I like winning.
No. It starts with the system. Thats what Makes Rex valuable. As we were discussing, vis-vis penny, sanchez. Penny was a better QB pre and Post Schotty, in terms of Td/int ratio. Under Schotty, Sanchez is better than Penny in the last two years under that albatross. System, matters. Alot. Like you said, the numbers show what they show. Amd on that count you are right, and Im pretty sure the FO sees it that way, and thinks that MM will finally bring the offense up to match (or get close enough) to take this team from a should win 10, to a should win 12 team. A top 6 d and a top 10 or better offense should produce a championship team.
Oy They wont even man up to the Denver game. Dont beat your head against the wall. How many victory snaps did this team take in 2011. They won 8, scoring 24 or more. Any game they failed to reach 24, they lost. Even when they held a lead late. Junc, we imagined it. Part of the argument is true. If we sustained more offense, the D would be fresher late. But what has the team done to make that happen?
mark and the O deserve their share of the blame for the den game but a big time D wants the game to come down to them and that game came down to them and they failed. Our D has been good to very good but never great for more than a game here and a game there.
thread derailed... great job guys. well at least we arent adding more posts to the overbloated thread about the qb. there might be some people in this thread who dont go into that thread.
And how many of those games were lost on the extra drives that the offense put the defense on the field for? How many were lost because the offense failed to score? You like to bring up the Denver game, but the defense gave up 10 points in that loss.... You like to bring up the Steelers game, but take away the offenses misques and the Jets win that game. You like to talk about how the Jets gave up game winning drives to close out a game, how many of those were the results of the offense putting the defense on the field for extra possessions to defend against? wins and losses are a team effort Junc, and yes the defense has Lost SOME games for the Jets, but keep it in perspective. When a team consistently ranks as one the top 10 best teams in terms of drives where any sort of points are scored against it. Hint the more snaps a defense is on the field for, the more possessions a defense is put on the field against the more points they're going to give up just from chance and from being tired. It's no coincidence that when the jets running game in 2009 was able to keep the jets in the middle of the pack on drives defended against the Jets led the league in least points allowed. The simple fact is, no matter how you cut it, the defense has been consistently a top 10 unit. And you can argue this or argue that. But the reality is, with an average offense in 2009 the Jets probably win the AFC East. With an average offense in 2011 the Jets probably make the playoffs. with an average offense in 2012 the Jets again probably make the playoffs. Make all the excuses you want, nothing backs it up.
If the Jets D hasn't been "great" in the RR years, then I really want to know what "great" is... It's a rough era for defense in this league, teams are getting torched week in and week out. I'm not going to pick out a small handful of games, drives, single plays..etc... in 4 years of this era, and say they aren't great because they gave up a TD here or there. Give credit where it's due, over the course of the Ryan era, the defense has been great.. definetely SB caliber and the lifeblood of this team. I'm a Ryan critic but even I find it laughable to downplay the efforts of the defense on this team over his time with this team. The man can coach defense...
I hope you are correct IF Sanchez starts. I believe your mistaken, but as I've said many times I'm a Jets fan first and foremost. Systems only go so far, the right system can improve a players chance to succeed but it's up to the players to make the plays. A Good QB will make an OC look like a genius, a few superb players on defense will make a DC look like a genius. I do think a DC has a little more control than an OC does though, not a lot mind you, but a little. And that's largely because the Defense is all about creating different looks so the QB can't tell what's coming. On the OC side of the ball once the players break huddle the OC has no input, it's up to the QB to look at the defense and make the proper pre-snap read. But if the QB calls an audible then the DC no longer has control over the situation, it's up to the players on the field to adjust accordingly and to make the proper adjustments. That's why I say a coach only goes so far, once the huddles break it's all about the pre-snap reads, adjustments prior to the snap and reactions and reads after the ball is snapped...and those are all on the players on the field, the coaches input stops once the huddle is broken...actually I think it stops after a certain time in the huddle but I'm not certain about that. If the players on the field make the wrong reads, everything goes bad no matter how good the coaching is. And that's why the QB on offense is the key, he makes the pre-snap reads, often assisted by the center or a guard, It's why the captain on defense is so vital as he calls the defensive adjustments and reads...it's one reason the Jets will, at least initially, miss Bart Scott, not because of his on field play, but his ability to call defenses and respond...assuming i'm remembering correctly and he was the defensive on field signal caller... To say it's all coaching and system is an over simplification that ignores the reality of a football game in progress. It's that ability to make pre-snap reads that turns a unit from below average to average, or average to above average, or even to elite levels. Of course talent also figures in to the equation, but all the talent in the world, on either side of the ball, makes no difference if they're making the wrong reads too often. That's not to say coaching decisions can't win or lose games, they can. You can argue, for example, that a coaching decision cost the Jets the Denver game. The Jets defense had stymied Tebow all game, but for some reason the Jets coaching staff got clever and called a blitz thinking that "surely the Bronco's have to do something different, we've been stopping them all day". Broncos did exactly what they'd been doing all game unsuccessfully, but because a DB blitz was called it left a single player isolated on Tebow, Smith made the wrong decision there, but the play call was a bad choice that played right in to what Denver had been doing all game long. That doesn't excuse Smith's bad choice, nor does it excuse the offenses total lack of ability to do anything against Denver's defense...but it never the less is an example. But those kinds of examples are pretty rare and it still shouldn't have lost the game if Smith had held his ground as he should have in that situation. But that's about a player making a bad read after the snap, if smith reads that correctly he doesn't get caught in no mans land and the Bronco's probably don't score. A bad defensive call yes, but in the end it was field execution that determined the play.
