While I agree, the Mavs run was equally memorable. I think the Mavs will be remembered for 2011 alone, while the Pistons did sustain success well into 2008. At the end of the day they all are left with 1 ring. Great runs though
I think that Mavs team will be remebered based on how Miami does. If they go on to win 2 more titles (which I don't think they will) people will say wow Notiwzki and the Mavs prevented the Heat from winning 4 straight wheras if Miami doesn't win anymore people might ignore it.
LeBron's assertion set the standard by which they will be judged. you can attempt to minimize his boasting by where it occurred, but the reality is that it was an official team function, no different than an interview. and even if you don't want to take his boast literally, it still has an over-reaching meaning that he was trying to convey, and that meaning was that the trio would not just win a single championship, but would win multiple championships over a long stretch that would be one of the most dominating stretches for any team in history. that was his assertion. that is a guarantee of performance, and isn't even remotely comparable to someone saying where they would want to play. Chris Paul decides not to play with the Knicks, he simply changed his mind. it has nothing to do with an inability to live up to an ability of performance, which is how players are judged. you declare you are going to win multiple championships, when you do not it isn't by choice. that isn't even comparing apples and oranges on your part. at least with apples and oranges we are talking about two fruits. your comparison is apples to steel -- they are even remotely in common.
They were both made in non official settings trying to draw favorable reaction from the crowd around them.The Heat are going to be judged on how they play basketball not by some silly thing Lebron said in a pep rally for the fans. This is silly ESPN stuff to focus on. His era in Miami will be judged based on his performance on the court there regardless of his comments at a pep rally. Again I think if you win a championship it can't be a failure even if Lebron in an interview to Magic said we are going to win 10 straight titles. I can't see how a title is a failure. Again, a disappointment, sure, but not a failure regardless of an off handed remark at a pep rally. I just think it's straight up silly to judge his era in Miami on those comments. Why not judge it by the basketball he and the team plays while he is there. That seems much more logical to me. They way this heat team was built was to cash in on multiple championships in a short amount team. Wade might be deteriorating faster than they expected but they grabbed a title so far, so I can't consider this Pat Riley invention a failure as much as I would have loved it to be one.
it was an organized team event; if that was a non-official team setting, so are championship parades, which are aimed squarely at the crowd around them, and yet I doubt you would classify a championship parade as a non-official setting. but I will give you the opportunity to do so if you wish. and how is that different than an interview, in which the interviewee is still only attempting to garner a reaction, only from a listener or reader afterwards. hence why he gives the interview and doesn't just talk to himself. if getting a reaction from a third party invalidates an event, you can't qualify an interview as somehow being more legit than a pep rally. it isn't silly, it is peripheral factors surrounding the games. these games do not exist ins vacuum, they are part of a larger entertainment event, which includes interviews and fan gatherings. it isn't black and white. there isn't one flat criteria for failure. if they win one title, that season was not a failure. but then you can look at the totality of the time they play together, and judge whether they lived up to not only the expectation from outsiders but the expectations they created by their own boasting. the totality of their time together can certainly be seen as a failure, because the expectation for a team comprised of those three players is going to be different than the expectations of teams without their talent, and expectations are part of the equation when you are evaluating whether a team succeeded, failed or fell somewhere in between. it isn't silly. his comments are part of the totality of his time with the team. you can attempt to minimize them as you have, but I think I have shown why your attempt is flawed. but you can't simply throw them away and say they don't matter. they do matter. it is a meaningful as Broadway Joe's guarantee that the Jets would beat the Colts. you make that prediction and fulfill it, you are heralded. the opposite is true as well. you make that boast and fail to fulfill it, you have failed and your tenure is judged accordingly. LeBron set the standard for by which they were judged, the minimum of which, even if you don't take his comments literally, is multiple titles.
a lot of players do make failed guarantees and they tend to fade away Jennings this playoffs but it seems to happen every year
of course. but the better the player, the bigger the voice and the more attention that is paid to it. a good player making a guarantee is far different than a great player making a guarantee. that is simply the reality of being a great player, more attention is given to what you say and do, and more scrutiny as well. Jennings and LeBron aren't even remotely equal in ability or popularity, so how each are judged isn't going to be equal as well.
Terrible... 9 turnovers by the Pacers and we are down 2... Bosh 1 for fucking 8 in that quarter...No more shots for him.
Bosh makes a shot and he's busy yelling and screaming in self-congratulation :lol: Good job, you're still shooting like 30% this series edit: more like the last four games, series is shooting like 40%
"If Indiana doesn't turn it around, they'll be in South Beach watching the Spurs in Game 1" :breakdance:
Now that's the Miami Heat I know... Big 3 playing awesome...Ray Allen playing awesome... Bring on the fucking Spurs!
how did the refs miss that, LeBron was clearly fouled I wonder if Spoelstra will keep LeBron in again if the Heat are up 20 with 5 to play again.
