In the world of see no evil, speak no evil to qualify as a fan of the Jets, that Joe Namath has no relationship with the owner comes as no surprise. The entire PSL thing can be viewed as a money grab and Tebow? Well, we've all seen the endorsements, then the distancing, done by our owner so you could count that as well although I don't think either really qualifies as deceitful. I'm not sure about any other double dealing. If anything, them coming out publically saying that they weren't going to pay Revis costs us at least one dp in the eventual deal. That was one time the FO should have been deceitful as it would have at least given TB reason to sweeten the deal.
Bingo. Well said The most "deceitful" part of the whole Tebow saga was Woody Johnson backtracking at the end of the year after it was obvious what a huge embarrassing failure it was. Acting like he had nothing to do with it and "Tebow was forced on me" Yea okay Woody. Just cause we weren't born with a silver spoon in our hands doesn't mean we're all dumb. Nice try asshole.
Do the Giants get a pass on the PSLs? Jets at least made the 300s PSL free. Dont really see an issue there. Sure PSLs suck, but basic supply and demand made it a good business move.
Call me a homer, sunshiner..I don't care. I think the Woody Johnson conspiracy theories throughout the fan base are shameful & ridiculous. Now that isn't to say he or the organization are perfect. He has enabled a corporate structure that many people just don't care for, he is awful in front of the press & many of the Jets big picture goals tend to be wishy washy. That said, look at what he HAS done for this organization. He has spent a ton of money in free agency, converted the worst facilities in the NFL(Hofstra) into the best, & has transformed the Jets brand from average to National following(For better or worse). Additionally the team has been FAR better on the field than they were under Hess. The PSL argument is one I will never understand. Every single owner in the entire NFL has employed a PSL system. Frankly this type of structure has taken of sports/entertainment across the board. Why does Woody have to bare the brink of fan anger? Additionally, where is all this fly by night PSL turnover that has Woody scrambling for headlines to sell a handful? Who went out & bought a PSL when Tebow came on board? I go to several games a year.The stadium is always packed & it's always the same faces. So where is all this high pressure ticket sale & turnover? Every culprit on record about Tim Tebow including prospective GM candidates who were provided a rationale from the organization during their interview have stated it was a Tannenbaum move. Back in 2007/2008 it was Tannenbaum who was known as being the "Big splash" & buzz guy. Somewhere down the line the people began to believe it was Woody. But if you have followed Tannenbaum his whole time w/ the Jets you'll come to realize that this move had all his finger prints. He was all about the story book "Fit". Tebow could push Sanchez,become the long term back-up & replace Brad Smith in the wildcat under the watch of one of the NFL's wildcat creators(or so we thought). Additionally this would provide the big splash in the media that Tannenbaum loved. Now Woody did have to sign off on the deal, so he does have some fault. But everything points to Tanny..why does Woody have to bare the brunt of it?
Well, very few people here really gives a shit about the Giants so they're not getting a pass, they're getting ignored. I could be wrong now, but I don't think so..
None of this is deception though. Lying about Tebow? Where was the lie in there? They never said Tebow was going to play a lot. they always talked about him as a wildcat QB and special-teamer. Maybe they didn't use him as much as it seems they were planning too but the root of that is clear as day: if you don't practice well you will not see the field in a Parcell's tree system and Sparano was a Parcell's guy. PSL's were going to happen one way or the other when the next stadium was built. The Giants have PSL's also. Were they being deceptive too? The last thing though is the silliest. West Side Stadium fiasco? Yeah that was an example of the Jets being deceptive. The whole organization went all out on that project for half a decade trying to make it work and then they got shot down by a coalition of stake holders that didn't want Woody and the Jets on the West Side of Manhattan. How was that deceptive? Deceptive is not the word to use when describing the Jets over the last decade plus. I like Joe Namath and I respect his opinion but we're living in the 2010's now not the 1960's. Most of the things he complains about were valid when Sonny Werblin owned the team, they're not valid any more.
you guys should take a look at the 17a new stadium thread if you want to see about deceit. holding back tickets, making people believe they were lucky to get in. making them pay before upgrading then giving them garbage upgrades while at the same time putting people who have had enough into far better seats. selling good seats to new people while old timers are not offered them and are offered junk. its been a complete jerkoff since that new stadium was put up. forget about the fact that a seat that used to cost 75 bucks now has a 7500 dollar psl and is 450 per game. brett favre was the beginning of it in my eyes. woody made the decision that he wanted to be the big man getting talked about and we spent 4 years of the main focus being that. junc the entirety of last summer all that anyone talked about was the jets and tebow and the circus. a number of giants actually came out and said hey we arent worried about the jets getting more attention than us even though we are world champs. THEY realized it.... because it was true.
or how everytime the jets came out and said something was one way they would turn around and do the exact opposite. yes i understand you dont want your business out there but it happened about 10 times in the last few years.. oh no this guy is a jet he is doing great.... 3 days later he is cut. it got to the point that you could basically trust that anything that came from the jets was complete bullshit. deceitful they absolutely were.
But this is sport management public relations 101. Deny till you die.Almost every single franchise in sports does it. You can't paint yourself into a corner w/ the modern era of social media & tabloids. This gets further exemplified when you are in the NY market. The Jets have to be very careful what info they leak out..b/c if things fall through or something changes the media will pounce. If you don't like the message being sent out either take it w/ a grain of salt or don't listen. Actions speak louder than words in this business.
This is the truth. If the Jet's statements about players and tactics the last few years make them "deceptive" then most organizations are outright liars and the Patriots are trash-talking miscreants who wouldn't know the truth if it smacked them in the face.
I don't think it has anything to do with Namath looking to further his career. His legacy is intact forever. He's 70 years old and is enjoying retirement in Fla. His career days are behind him. However I do agree that what Namath said was dead on correct. I enjoy hearing Namath's opinion on the team and he's pretty knowledgeable now that he's sober (hopefully).
Because Woody has been more vocal as an owner since Rex arrived. He made the media believe that the Tebow deal was his move, and I actually believed it for an entire season until it was revealed that Tanny was the major factor in bringing in Tebow. Woody does have to share the blame too since he said yes to it, when he should've said no.
To you maybe it doesn't take the attention away, but Woody Johnson has a different mind frame when it comes to these decisions. Maybe it was to put the locker room in good standing as dumb as it sounds who knows.
Joe turns 70 today..cut him some slack. Oh, and did I mention the only winner QB the Jets have ever had? http://www.nfl.com/photos/09000d5d80ebeaa0?module=HP11_photo_gallery
New York Times 8/13/2012: “It takes up a lot of preparation time,” Ryan said. He was talking about the extra time that opposing coaches may spend planning for the Jets, or Tebow specifically, which would result, perhaps, in less time planning for Sanchez. As for Tebow, his reaction to Monday’s practice was simple: “Any time you get an opportunity to go out there and run around a little bit and play football, it’s always fun.” Ryan remembered a loss in 2009 to Miami — whose coach, Tony Sparano, is now the Jets’ offensive coordinator — in which the Dolphins were so effective at using the Wildcat that it freed up Chad Henne, their quarterback, to throw for 241 yards and 2 touchdowns. “We’ll have an offense, and the Wildcat will be part of our offense; we’ve said it from Day 1,” Ryan said. “The great thing is, you don’t know if we’re going to run it once. You don’t know if we’re going to run it 20 times, 50 times, whatever. That’s up to us. If you’re not prepared for it, why wouldn’t we run it?” He stopped, then added: “Not necessarily prepared, but if you’re not defending it well, why wouldn’t we run it? You’re going to run something until they stop it.” Sanchez seemed to be fine with the idea of implementing the Wildcat, because, as he made sure to say several times Monday, he thinks it is a great offense. “If we run it the right way, which Coach Sparano will do, we can be pretty explosive with it,” Sanchez said. “We have some great athletes, and we want to use all of their talents.” During a news conference Sunday, Sparano, referring to opponents preparing for the Wildcat and Tebow running it, said: “I’m more concerned about letting them worry about it than giving them the answers to the test. With the guy that we have, obviously, it’s going to be out there that we’re going to do something like that. The ‘how’ is the question.” Later, Ryan was asked if a Tebow-led offense might become more preferred. Ryan smiled, then laughed and said, “Anything’s possible.” Not to mention they made him bulk up to 250 because was going to be carrying the ball a ton all year. No they weren't deceptive at all. Everything played just as they promised. lol.
I don't think Woody Johnson should have veto'd the Tebow acquisition. If he'd done that then all the people jumping on him for approving it would have been jumping on him for stepping into his GM's area of expertise where he didn't belong. The anti-Woody bias among Jets fans right now is about one thing and one thing only - PSL's. Every other issue that people bring up is essentially manufactured to add fuel to that fire. There wasn't a big anti-Woody faction among Jets fan before the new stadium opened and Jets ticket prices soared. I have news for everybody who is pissed off about this. The new stadium was a billion dollar plus deal, split between the Jets and the Giants and both teams raised ticket prices dramatically and added PSL's to help finance it. That's just what it is. Professional sports tickets are much more expensive now than they were two decades ago and the primary factor in that rise has been the cost of building new infrastructure and the increase in payrolls. You want to be pissed at somebody? Be pissed at the Yankees. The reason their prices are so high is that they have a payroll that is somewhere between 8x and 2x almost every other professional baseball payroll. That's why tickets are 5x as expensive now as they were in 1995.
