you mean the guy who beat arizona when el taco couldn't? i'd rather have him take sacks than buttfumble, throw picks in the red zones, both ours and theirs! the entire offense picked up when mcelroy replaced el taco, and he had the same o line, tes, and wrs , as well as rbs to play with. maybe you like to have the jets draft early so you don't have to stay up late?:wink:
Sorry if I offended the Vice President of nachos fan club with any homosexual remarks. I am not one of the Jet fans who looks like their football iq is that of a 12 year old. I'm on the other side of that argument. Sorry for the typo, some times my phone will auto correct sometimes not, and I admit I'm not and never have been a national spelling champion like you Hobbes. I was probably playing football and not studying my spelling as homework when I was twelve. I guess it's kind of hard to be a Jets fan when your favorite player of alltime is on his way out? Or even worse, when that player truly can't play this game. In a matter of time nachos fan club will figure it out. Good day!!!!
there were two ways to go, and some posters argued for the other one: since we had to take a large cap hit either way, we could have kept revis and cut/traded el taco. idjik chose the other way, so we still have el taco around, solely due to his guaranteed contract/ almost $9 million salary and (more than that) cap hit. the only thing i can say to our friend above (lt jet fan) is that you can't say that simms or mcelroy are on the roster only because the team can't afford to cut them! hmy:
Well, its damning in that he shoukd have seen it coming. The LB blitzes, the NT slides to the blitz side, and theres a LB (in this case Harris) on the back side. Essentially triple bracketing the hot read on the blitz, Say what you will..its the same coverage,the Pats center gets the block on the DT. Rexs presser says Mangold didnt.
Hey man, all in fun. I make more typos, than nacho does picks. But..,as to the QB situation...let me ask you one reasonable question..,if they really were getting rid of Sanchez...is Garrard the guy they bring in? ....ummmm.no. Do they pass on Smith, at 13..... Hoping for a lottery string of luck to drop him to 39? .... Not seeing that either. Hey, Sanchez has his flaws, but be honest.,,has the organization made a single move, that says they are moving away. No. ( unless you want to argue that Idzik is the draft Zen master and KNEW that they would get Smith at 39....hardly a sound podition)
I realize he has to be here for the most part, but its such a waste of money to have nacho on this team when he hasn't earned his wings with his play on the field. Imagine how this off season could have been and could be, if nacho wasn't on our books. I would love nothing more than for him to suddenly turn into an average to above average qb. It's not personal with Sanchez, he just can't get the job done and its easy to see. Nacho obviously has major confidence and comfort issues with the speed of the NFL defenses. Nacho doesn't have the nerve or the witts about him either. Hell Geno may not be any better, but why does the organization have to keep beating its head against the wall? Nacho is just like a skipping record. Some people around this site call you a darksider, or say "you can't hear jimmy" when watching the Jets play. My vision of what's really happening on the field isn't clouded by "Nacho hatred". That's the nacho lovers looking for their equal opposite.
There are 8 and a half million good reasons why Sanchez is still on the roster. This is just common sense. The Jets did not draft Geno Smith for shits and giggles either. Popular sentiment says pickings were slim this year...the Jets still took the 2nd QB in the draft. Who knows what would have happened had Garrard been healthy and looked just half-way decent? Sanchez is not in ANYBODY'S good graces, expect for a very few minimal Internet homer dipshits, not to name names.
Reason for Gerrard Wasn't for lack of desire to improve at QB, it was strictly the best QB they could fit on cap space, I've addressed that with you already, Jets with Gerrard were at 123million. Just no money to get a better QB this year. if you read and paid attention the Jets discussed drafting Geno at #13, but instead went BPA. Also if you were listening on day two of the draft the noise from the sources were the Jets were trying to trade up in the second round to draft Geno but couldn't get a deal, Geno fell to them anyways so it's a good thing they didn't trade up. REgarding the first round, there's nothing wrong with taking BPA, especially since they knew that no other team lower than them would draft him but they were afraid a team ahead of them in the second round might, hence the attampt to trade up. Hint, you don't try to trade up for a QB you don't intend to give a legit shot to. The end.
Wow- after all these years with ESPN, and the Internet, you would think that the young folk would understand that turnovers are the ultimate destroyer of wins. Please let Mark start every game, get 30 turnovers, and give us more pics in the draft. Mark is 100% broken. Done. Dead in NY. Maybe he can catch on another place, but the experiment has failed. The blame falls on the Jets just as much as Mark. But in the end it doesn't matter. Please let him start, let's go 4-12, cut him, get picks, and move on.... Bye
Well I hope to never truly offend but to stack witty comments, humor is grand. I laugh at what you say and hope you do the same. Onto idzek knowing he could get smith the spot he did, it can be viable to assume they brought Garrard in to mask our need of any qb to an extent. Maybe everyone in the NFL knew smith would fall to a space somewhere close to our spot. Who knows the truth? So to speculate your way, is just as easily to assume mine. To say the ota isn't significant to nacho or smith is a joke. Nacho is obviously feeling the heat before his bad day, and a whole lot more now! If you have ever played sports before, then you understand the mental part of a battle at a position. Especially a pro Qb. Doesn't look good for your favorite Jets player of all time, does it?
You make it sound like you actually saw the play... Oh the lengths you ass clowns go to defend "ya boy". Now we're blaming Nick Mangold lol
For the most part we agree on him. My reasoning for wanting him to win the job would be to create another tradeable asset. If he can win it outright, it's because he kept the turnovers down. If he can maintain that throughout the year we may be able to get a mid to late pick for him. I don't see him doing it but I'm pulling for him. I agree he looked done at the end of last year though. Mentally shot. It's not easy to rebound from that. Just ask David Carr.
Dont you think it would be more beneficial to have Geno outright win the starting job? Because if he wins the job, it will have to be because he has a grasp of the offense, he acclimated quickly to the NFL and he played well... If Geno can work out for us, its worth a whole lot more than a 4th round pick.
best case scenario. Smith beats out Sanchez for the starting job. A teams #1 QB goes down that has nothing backing up their starter and offers a 6th round pick for Sanchez in the first couple weeks of the season.
This is correct. It's a somewhat interesting situation because Geno was a 2nd round pick rather than 1st, weak class or not. The team doesn't have the time to wait around for an extra year while Smith is developed the way Sanchez should have been originally. For things to work out well I think it has to be another trial by fire, with the caveat that the organization is better set up to help the rookie QB through the process rather than ensuring failure again. The best result would obviously be if Geno is a franchise QB. Second best result is that he's a bust which would drive up our draft picks and provide clarity about the needed direction. Third best result is he can't win the job and Sanchez does enough to gather a little bit of trade value. In that case there would be a little bit of compensation to dull the nightmare of not knowing whether we need a QB or not. Actually it would be the 4th best scenario if Sanchez and Smith are both pitiful enough to land Bridgewater in striking distance.
Best article ESPN has written on the Jets.... It's from ESPN Insider so I had to post the transcript below, but it refutes Namath's comments that they should not have drafted Geno Smith. in fact, it supports everything I was telling my friends on why they HAD to draft him. The value at that spot, combined with their need, was too great to pass up. Can ESPN replace Cimini with this guy please? Logic over unnecessary inflammatory speculation works for me. Article: If you're a New York Jets fan, make a little note on your fridge-sized schedule or put a reminder in your Outlook calendar: A few minutes after halftime of the Week 7 game between the Jets and Patriots this upcoming season, Mark Sanchez will have made a little more than $5 million toward his total cap hit of $12.85 million for 2013. That number is notable for this reason: That $5 million is what Geno Smith is going to make over the four years of rookie deal he'll sign with the Jets -- total. It won't matter if Smith has Jay-Z or Jay Mohr as his agent -- that total is locked in. At that point, remind those who think drafting Smith was a mistake, or not a big need -- as Joe Namath stated this week -- that what the Jets will pay Sanchez for nearly 50 percent of what should be his last, lame-duck season, they'll likely pay Smith on the entirety of his first contract. This means that at its highest point, Smith's first deal will never represent a cap hit of even 2 percent of the Jets total salary cap. And whether Smith ever becomes a great player, a good player, or merely a quality backup, New York's decision to draft him where it did was a smart one. Maybe he wasn't a "need" by the technical standards of Namath's definition -- yes, Sanchez is available to start football games. Namath and so many suffering Jets fans have been exposed to so much lunacy in decision-making at the QB position that it's easy to forget that smart franchises don't find the best QB value when it's a huge need -- they find it and have the chance to develop a player when it's not. The decision on Smith, and New York's draft strategy as a whole, actually makes a lot of sense, and there a number of reasons why. Here are five: 1. They maximized the chance to compete now So many fans clamor for teams to draft with the goal of mending a roster weakness that they often overlook the value of maximizing a strength. As you see in the chart at right, over the past eight NFL seasons, Rex Ryan has run defenses that never once have fared worse than No. 7 in the NFL in total defense (total yards allowed per game). Normally I'd rely on a more advanced look at defensive efficiency, but this one is very telling because it in part takes into account what the offense is doing. If you have a below-average offense, as the Jets have had, it can often make defenses look even worse. Offenses that can't stay on the field leave defenses even more exposed, and the Jets went three-and-out on offense over 26 percent of the time last season. They ranked 32nd in that category the year before, 18th in 2010 and 22nd in 2009. Even going back to 2008, the Ravens were a below-average 18th. And yet Ryan still manages to consistently put together defenses that will always keep teams competitive, regardless of what the offense provides. The Rex Effect NFL total defense rankings for defenses run by Rex Ryan over the last eight NFL seasons, four in New York, four as defensive coordinator in Baltimore. Team Year Rank Jets 2012 6th Jets 2011 4th Jets 2010 3rd Jets 2009 1st Ravens 2008 2nd Ravens 2007 7th Ravens 2006 1st Ravens 2005 3rd The Jets' new management inherited a salary cap mess and wasn't going to be able to dramatically upgrade the offensive personnel this offseason by shopping for top offensive talent (to the extent it even exists in free agency), nor was it going to be able to get talent to affect a dramatic shift from the draft, especially after St. Louis moved up in front of the Jets to No. 8 overall to take Tavon Austin. So the Jets opted to strengthen their biggest competitive advantage and got the best cornerback (Dee Milliner) and a defensive lineman (Sheldon Richardson) who would help a master schemer in Ryan do more on defense. Remember this: If anything has allowed Sanchez to claim the "winner" label in New York, it's been the defense, not his own play, because he simply has never been above average. This is a fact. And what the Jets did in Round 1, while it could be perceived as a detriment to the offense, actually will do the team plenty of good. 2. They maximized draft board value In Round 2, Geno Smith presented the Jets with great value potential. The Jets had internal conversations about taking Smith at No. 13 overall before ultimately settling on Richardson. And while you can quibble about whether they should have taken an early-impact offensive threat such as tight end Tyler Eifert at that spot, we can all agree that by taking Smith at No. 39 overall, they'd won a pretty big hand of draft board poker. Regardless of what you think about Smith, the Jets smartly gauged that in a year without certain impact talent at QB, and due to depressed need, QBs would drop. Whether Smith is good or not, the low cost of getting him at No. 39 overall mitigated any risk. It was somewhat reminiscent of when the Bengals waited out a QB run of quarterbacks in 2010 and still got a player they really liked in Andy Dalton in Round 2. 3. They factored in their own offensive resources Regardless of whether the Jets drafted a wide receiver in Round 1, they couldn't figure to get more impact from any wideout in 2013 than they'll get from a healthy Santonio Holmes. Holmes is no star, but he had 103 catches in his first two years in New York, and was at least on pace for 80 last season before he went down in Week 4. As I've said before, Stephen Hill's route tree in the Georgia Tech was a cactus, and he also figures to be improved after a year of frustrating seasoning in the NFL. You can argue that the Jets offense in 2013 should be better mostly because mathematically it couldn't get any worse, but you don't just draft based on statistical need -- you draft and acquire based on reasonable assumptions about gains you'll get from current personnel. 4. They made a reasonable cost/benefit decision As I noted before, the previous Jets administration made so many quizzical decisions at QB from a cost/benefit standpoint, fans might not realize what a sensible one looks like. In taking Smith at No. 39, and having already upgraded the roster in a couple key spots, the Jets aren't paying for assumed performance from Smith -- they're paying very little for what could be a great deal of on-field value, even if it's merely insurance. Namath says they had bigger "needs," but no team assumes they'll get major first-year impact from a Round 2 pick. The 2012 draft provided a lot of early returns from Round 2, but only a third of those picks were consistent starters, and a number of those were at more fungible positions such as linebacker and along the offensive line, where players can be shifted around. Smith's ability to fill a need at QB isn't just reflected in the state of the 2013 roster. Choosing him is also reflected in the possible needs for 2014. Which brings us to a final point. 5. They drafted a player -- they didn't marry him This is pretty simple: If, after a year of evaluation, and maybe even some starts, the Jets don't feel Smith is the starter of the future, so what? At that point, even in a worst-case scenario, they have a backup they aren't going to commit more than 1.5 percent of their salary cap to over the next four seasons, and they also have a low-cost QB commodity who could be dealt for future draft picks. If the season is a total disaster, and next offseason we're looking at a situation where Sanchez is no longer on the roster and Smith isn't the clear answer going forward, the Jets haven't put themselves in a situation where they can't either target a QB in free agency or once again in the draft. Options remain wide open. In a way, the selection of Smith reminds me of what the Lions faced in 2007 when they decided to draft Calvin Johnson. Smith and Johnson are by no means comparable talents, but consider the situation. The Lions had drafted Charles Rogers, Mike Williams and Roy Williams in previous years, and even the selection of Johnson seemed laughable. But it wasn't because of Johnson, it was because of the situation and team he was headed to. Johnson was a great prospect, but you had to assume the worst because of Detroit's absurd history with the position. Smith was a perfectly logical pick at his price point, and he goes to a team that, while perpetually dysfunctional at the position, really does need a QB like him to develop and is making reasonable personnel moves under a new decision-maker. And whether Smith succeeds or fails won't diminish that fact. That Week 7 reminder will be helpful to understand why.
If you have a below-average offense, as the Jets have had, it can often make defenses look even worse. Offenses that can't stay on the field leave defenses even more exposed, and the Jets went three-and-out on offense over 26 percent of the time last season. They ranked 32nd in that category the year before, 18th in 2010 and 22nd in 2009. Even going back to 2008, the Ravens were a below-average 18th. And yet Ryan still manages to consistently put together defenses that will always keep teams competitive, regardless of what the offense provides. But...but...our defense folds in big games and can't hold a 3 point lead for three quarters! And three-and-outs are a good thing. It means we didn't turn the ball over.
