Thats what you wrote. My apologies, your weakness isnt calendar math, its english. apologies. Your subsequent clarification was much clearer. Im all for a good discussion, but Im not psychic.
this is what u first responded to, which started our back and forth. clearly referenced 14, and in later post to Don also referenced the savings for 15. If you had a grasp on the cap, you'd have known about the 8.3 mil savings in 14, which could actually be 13.1 mil savings if they bit the bullet and cut him this year. To be crystal clear though, i'm not advocating cutting him this year. That option went out the window once Garrard limped off the field b4 the first real practice even happened. However, barring a top 10 QB season and solid playoff run this year (or massive salary cut), Sanchez will not be on this team in 14. He was a top 10 paid QB until Flacco's new deal. Now he is 11th.
Not much if I remember correctly. Byz, it is possible to see a positive season happening w/o making the playoffs as long as the team is making progress. I have no illusions whatsoever about making a playoff run. Call it lowered expectations if you like. If it happens, nice surprise. If not, no surprise at all nor any disappointment as long as the team isn't spinning its wheels. We are indeed in rebuilding mode. My take is optimistic, at least by my standards, because I can see a path to get something for Sanchez and at the same time, groom Geno and bring him along w/o rushing him. If we play our cards right, and things fall into place, there just might be a market for Sanchez at some point during the season and we can take advantage of that at season's end. After the bye, start Geno against a softer schedule and see how much he's learned by watching and studying. Let Sanchez take the pounding in the first half and earn that $8.5m. The better Sanchez plays against top tier defenses, the greater the possibility of a market developing for his talents at the end of the year. My point is we don't have to run Sanchez out of town and pay him millions at the same time nor do we have to throw Geno against tier 1 defenses in his first several starts in the NFL. For once, I think that's a positive point of view.
I'm not sure what your definition of rebuilding is, but judging by your expectations, it's probably an antiquated concept. Rebuilding isn't what it was. At some point during the evolution of free agency, it was your team sucking for a season or two before they could compete. Things have changed. It's not that way anymore. When a team starts rebuilding, they find themselves the personnel and the science and the foresight to make it a one or even less-than-one season transition. The team that deals with rebuilding for more than one season is a fraud. What is your scenario for the Jets after 2013?
good post, i agree with your thinking here. it would be great if we could develop a market for either one of our young qbs and get some kind of value out of them. lets say the team thinks geno is ready to start by week 4 or 5 then they might be able to move sanchez to one of the many teams every season that finds out their qb situation is shaky at best. if sanchez is playing good football, then maybe we throw geno out there in garbage time and try to get a market for him that way. either way, the qb situation doesnt seem that bad for the jets right now and with some shrewd business maneuvering form idzik, the team could get something nice out of it.
1 year turnarounds? Really? Which team started from where the Jets are presently and turned it in one year? Please enlighten me because I don't remember any team doing it in a single year. The Jets in particular will take more than a single season to get all of the holes in the roster filled. Sorry, but that's just where we are in this. We're still have to clear cap space and that means somehow getting Sanchez off the books. Once we do that, and start to fill in the gaps in the roster, then we can accelerate the timetable. Shit to Sugar in a year? Fairytales. It still takes time, even in your version of the NFL.
if one of the two quarterbacks the jets are hoping steps up is playing well then we can look to trade one and sign a vet back up and draft guys in the later rounds to compete and hopefully get something of value from a trade worst case scenario, sanchez plays like shit and gets cut next season, jets give geno a shot while bringing in more competition if he hasnt shown he is the man for the job. i dont get the need for pessimism there are a lot of options here
Thank you Sir! :beer: That's been my point all along. We don't have to act rashly just because the fanbase hates Sanchez. We still got a lot of money tied up in him and instead of approaching this emotionally, we need to take the long view. We can utilize this competition to lay the groundwork for moving Sanchez. It would really help a lot if Sanchez doesn't stink the joint up before TC too.
i dont really think the jets are that far behind that they need more than a year to rebuild. with all the cap room were looking at next season it more than reasonable to assume the front office can field a playoff team in 2014. rex's defense is always going to be good to great, so if the offense can work out, the turnaround will be much sooner than we are expecting. still need playmakers on offense badly, and goodson is still possibly not going to be on the team come opening day, but next season we have a shitload of free space and will be able to fill holes.
Still you're talking 2015 at the earliest. 2013? we're still fixing the mess that Tannenbaum left us. 2014? we'll have the cap room and the DP's to make moves and perhaps even take a quantum leap depending on how quickly our young players come of age. Hopefully by then, Idzik will have tweaked his plan, have more of "his" people in place, and be ready to make more positive moves. He'll have more elbow room to manuever with more Cap space. Serious run? Maybe 2015. That's 2 years from today and hardly a one season turnaround. At any rate, the Sanchez dilemma needs resolution and we have to start getting more ROI from players we've invested time and money in.
i guess im more optimistic than you haha i see the defense coming together in 2014 very nicely and think they might be able to ride the defense pretty far. i dont see how they could field a team much worse than 2009, and im expecting the playmakers up front on the defense to start making a difference for the team. schotty's offense was never really anything more than average to below average and if we can get our qb situation figured out things will come together nicely, at least i think/hope they will haha i just have a lot of faith in rex as a coach. i still believe he will win a sb with the jets if they stick with him.
if team trades for Sanchez, they would be trading for his contract with base salaries and cap hits as follows: YEAR--BASE-----------CAP HIT 2014--9,000,000-------13,100,000 2015--12,500,000------15,600,000 2016--10,750,000------13,850,000 if Sanchez plays well enough that any team would be willing to trade for him and pay him $9 million in 2014 with a $13 million cap hit, $12.5 million in 2015 with a $15.6 million cap hit, why the hell would the Jets trade him? to warrant that salary by his performance would mean Sanchez is playing like a top-tier QB, and if he is the Jets should keep him. the only way to suggest any team would want to trade for him, you have to take into consideration his contract in addition to his play, and then validate why a team would be willing to take that contract on. otherwise it isn't even wishful thinking, it is sheer delusion. how good does Sanchez have to play to for a team to not only want to give up a pick but assume the existing contract, while simultaneously him not playing good enough for the Jets to keep him? you are suggesting that he play both bad enough that it doesn't warrant the Jets keeping him, yet good enough for a team to give up a pick and assume the awful contract he has. how does that make any bit of sense?
Question: Is there a limit as to how much of the salary the trading team could pick up to facilitate a deal? Nobody expects any team to pick up Sanchez's entire salary but, the Jets I'm sure would be willing to pick up a significant part of it to get a deal done. Besides, we're only talking what? 2 years left on the contract?
...you are talking as though sanchez's contract cannot be restructured. either way, i doubt the team keeps both sanchez and geno on the same roster for too long. if sanchez plays well enough to go to some team that badly needs qb help and geno is coming along and ready to take the reigns, sanchez can be traded and restructure his deal to give himself a shot at starting again at a salary his performance dictates. right now, there is no incentive for him to restructure before this scenario because there is no market for him. if the jets cut him, he takes his money and no other team signs him. if he restructures, he loses money and risks getting cut anyway or holding a clip board and never starting again. if he plays well enough to gain some interest from teams where he would have a shot to start, the incentive is there to restructure and take a pay cut. all of this is hypothetical, but, like i said, worst case scenario, cut sanchez. best case, he gets some trade value, restructures, and we get something in return for him with geno looking like our qb of the future.
Why wouldn't the Jets pick up a significant part of Sanchez's contract to get a deal done? Is there a rule against that?
I'd like to know this as well. I have this scenario in my head where Sanchez is traded to a team that pays very little for him because the Jets pay for most of the tab, but its fine since they would be paying him anyway and would actually be gaining cap space for next year or so. I'll be open about my complete ignorance over the situation, somebody tell me why thats not a possibility or how that might go down if it actually is. I'm okay with playing dumbass with this.
money doesn't disappear when you restructure, you just delay it and move it around. that is why he has this awful contract to begin with -- to lighten the immediate burden of his previous contract last year, he restructured it while adding years to it as well. so, again, you are still suggesting he play well enough to warrant that total amount, and if he does play well enough to warrant it why wouldn't the Jets keep him? that would mean he is playing pretty damn good. why would the Jets want to assume any of his contract when they could be free of it? how good of a draft pick would they have to get that it would be worth paying part of his salary? and if he plays well enough to warrant a high pick from another team, why wouldn't he be playing well enough for the Jets to keep him. again, you are suggesting he play well enough that he is worth a high enough pick from another team and thus worth the Jets assuming part of his salary, but not well enough to be worth keeping him. it doesn't make sense.
Hes signed through 2016, according to over the cap. But...if the Jets contend, this year...its at salaries that are favorable to the team, for a 3 time playoff QB. What Tanny did was smart. He locked him up at a salary lower than a repeated playoff QB will command in todays market, but structured it so that he could be cut next year, for cap savings. More insight, into the ridiculous sports media, they only focus on this year, not the overall structure of the contract. Sanchez sucks this year, you can cut him no problem. He gets you into the playoffs AGAIN, hes still a bargain...especially since Smith is on a 4 year 5 mil deal.
The contract is actually pretty good. He needs to perform this year, or it pays the team to cut him. If he plays well, hes locked in below Market Value, for a 3 time playoff QB.
