-The New York Knicks 2012-2013 Season Thread-

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  1. displacedfan

    displacedfan Well-Known Member

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    We'll see how or if the Knicks adjust. We adjusted this game by going big, and well it didn't help at all rebounding. So maybe we go the opposiute way and go small.

    If Amare and KMART are your other bigs, you aren't going to do better rebounding wise.
     
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    I saw the spurs get knocked out 4 straight games after being up 2-0 last year.

    3 wins is nothing, 2 of them are at home.
     
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    Jrs gotta go though, i hate to say it, if he mad a few more shots its a close game. Give him less minutes.
     
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    Fuck JR Smith. That's all I have to say. Get that choker off my team. He is single handedly losing games for us. Stop shooting so much. No reason whatsoever he should be the focal point of the offense every time he touches. I'd rather have Copeland or Novak taking those minutes, because you know they'll at least hit some of them. Smith is awful and i still way too inconsistent to be a valid option. I don't give a fuck if he occasionally has hot streaks. He's not a playoff player bottom line. Happened last year, it's happening again.
     
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  5. displacedfan

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    Jason Kidd guys. Atrocious, worse than JR
     
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    displacedfan Well-Known Member

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    Players losing us this series in order:

    Jason Kidd
    JR Smith
    Tyson Chandler/Kenyon Martin aka our "bigs"
     
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    Meh. We go small, we lose by 10+. We go big, we lose by 10+. I wonder which lineup will lose us the next one by 10+? As long as it contains JR Smith, I don't want it.
     
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    Jason Kidd might not be scoring, but at the very least he's aware of it and isn't hoisting up a million shots that aren't going in. It's ludicrous. I don't care that JR creates shots. It's a useless ability if you can't sink them once in a while. What's he shooting 25%??? Being a non factor isn't the same as taking the team down with you like JR. Many of those shots could have been Melo shots instead, and he has a much better chance of sinking them.
     
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  9. displacedfan

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    Not really. We have slowly gotten away from our offensive identities these playoffs in total.

    Remember the triple screen we always ran, when's the last time you saw it? How about that play that gets Felton that open jumper on the baseline, remember it? There's a lot of stuff we haven't run and that includes Cope/Novak getting no time.

    The rotation for game 5 should be:

    Prig, Felton, Shump, Melo, Chandler
    Copeland, Kmart, JR Smith (primarily when Hibbert is out), Novak, Amare for 5-10 minutes

    That's 10 guys, 9 if you take out Novak or Cope whoever is cold.

    Why we haven't run more pablo/felton or pablo/shumpert is beyond me. Why we have Melo initiating the offense or KMART receivering open jumpers instead of rolling to the hoop makes no sense. Garabge offense that caused our slump.

    Granted the Pacers are a GREAT defensive team but we are playing into their hands
     
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    those dudes are on strike man

    Just can't figure out if it's against Melo, Woodson, or both
     
  11. displacedfan

    displacedfan Well-Known Member

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    Well no, he has caused 3-4 shot clock violations and turnovers by not shooting. A black hole completely. I'd rather hoist up an open shot than turn it over 100% of the time. On top of that, at least JR is not lost on defense. You remember those wide open 3s the Pacers had to quell some of our runs. Go back to the tape, Kidd is responsible for most of them. Overhelped on defense for no reason leaving the defense to scramble for him because he was slow getting to the shooter. When they did rotate fine guess where Tyson ended up, not on Hibbert ot try and box him out.

    Kidd was atrocious today and is ruining offensive possessions by giving guys tough shots late in the shot clock. Putting him AND KMart on the floor at the same time. Goodness gracious, you are playing 3 vs 5 offensively.
     
  12. displacedfan

    displacedfan Well-Known Member

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    Kid is just old. JR Smith is inconsistent, hasn't been the same since the elbow.

    Tyson I don't understand, I think he's hurt.

    Woodson ahsn't been putting them in good situations though. He regressed from everything that worked this season.

    I bet if you compared what we ran the past 10 games vs what we ran during the 18-5 and 13-0 streak, this offense is more similar to the offense we ran when we went 1-4 on the WC road trip than those winning streaks.

    He panicked and went to what he thinks would work, what not actually worked this season
     
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    Will be an interesting game 5. Kidd shouldn't play and JR's minutes need to be cut.

    That means it should be heavy minutes for Pablo who's rested since game 3 basically. Felton, Melo, Chandler, Shumpert who is sore/hurt, Copeland and Novak and KMART.

    Will that happen, probably not.
     
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    But was that Kidd's fault or Woodson's fault having him double team inside? I didn't think it was necessary either, but I guess it was the game plan. I didn't agree with it.
     
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    This motherfucker is playing a 0/18 Jason Kidd, hasnt made a bucket in years instead of the guy that helped you clinch against Boston in Prigioni.

    Fuck...He is getting outcoached and beaten at every turn by Vogel
     
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    If JR's minutes / shots are not limited, we are not winning. Simple. end of story. It's probably too late anyways. JR is now the biggest joke in the NBA. Dude wins 6th man of year on a flukey late season hot streak (after point blank sucking for well over a month) and then totally no shows the playoffs. Fuck him. This is why I hated him so much after last season ended. He gets ice cold at any given time and it sticks. We should seriously consider trading him to the Nets or Celtic to sabotage them. It'll especially fuck with the mental health of the fans, teasing them thinking they've acquired this great player, only to have him vanish when they need him most.
     
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    They say a good coach has has pulse of his team and the ability to get the best out of them and I like Woody...but he has no answers at all. Now some will say we still shoot like crap but he has no idea how to play against this team and has no answers at all..none. I have no idea what kind of prep went into this series but to not at least give a guy like Camby a shot and play KMART....I mean..look at KMARTS stats for the game...the funny thing is if this team were to find THE WAY to beat this team..and there are a few...they could still win this series because the Pacers have more holes than swiss cheese. Why are guards leave their guards open for 3's to double on a West etc..is beyond me.

    The problem with all of the doubling is their is nothing selective about it...we will double Lebron James just as much as we will double West...there is no gameplan..none. Just double. If I suited up and went into the low post they would double me.
    Nothing else to say.
     
  18. displacedfan

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    The Knicks built a way today on how to lose to the Pacers. They aren't employing the right strategies to beat them and that's on Woodson. It starts with lineups.

    KMART on Hibbert is wrong. Hibbert has 4 inches on him. Chandler should shadow Hibbert everywhere like George does on Melo.
     
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    Every player goes cold sometimes, and it's very possible that players like Kidd are truly done. None of that excuses the bizarre coaching decisions Woodson is making - they are just completely inexplicable.
     
  20. displacedfan

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    Well we are the next game now. IND is not that a great of a road team, but they closed out ATL on the road last round. If we make open shots and run what we ran all season we should win. I feel like we have said a version of that all 10 playoff games though and it hasn't happened.

    Hopefully Woodson redeems himself. I'd rather lose running our stuff and 3s not falling, than expirementing with lineups and rotations and losing because of weird decisions
     

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