And Sanchez makes it to the last drive without 167 rushing yards and 2 TDs that his running game provided? You know Mark threw 0 TD passes and a pick in that game right? Yes, they kicked a FG when they actually rushed the ball decent on 1 drive that they started on their own 2 yarline. They were already down 14-0 and had half of their rushing attempts on 1 drive before the half. They gained 13 yards on 7 carries on all other drives. The Colts D allowed TDs drives in the first half when the Steelers started on their own 16 and 28 yardline. They played much better in the second half which helped Indy get back into it. That doesn't mean that they played well in the first half. You act like they could have ran it well if they wanted to, but just didn't. I see 3 out of 14 attempts that are good runs. They were not very good on the other 11 attempts. One D holding a team to 16 points and then facing a 23rd ranked D to get in FG range is a little different than another team allowing the opponent to score 21 points in 3 quarters and facing a 3rd ranked D to get in FG range. If this were the Jets I'm sure I would be hearing how the Colts D should have won it by returning that fumble for a TD instead of getting tackled by Roethlisberger, or that the special teams should have made a very make-able FG indoors when Mark marched them 30 yards against the 3rd ranked Steelers D, but we are talking about the Colts, so the situations are identical. This is exactly what the other poster was calling you out for.
That's the problem with Sanchez. Every aspect of his game is no better than average or below average for an NFL QB ... which is exactly why he's being labeled as a "function of the team around him". There's nothing he does exceptionally well, there are many things he does terribly, and he's incapable of uplifting the cast around him. This is not the profile of a franchise QB. Is there ANY category where he rates higher than the majority of QB's currently playing in the league?
That's regular stuff not needing a miracle like the ridiculous overturn of the clear INT and Pitt fumbling at the 2 after Indy turned it over on downs. Yep he had 0 TD passes but he led a GAME WINNING DRIVE at the gun. Do you prefer 2 Tds and 0 INTs like the title game 2 weeks later where we lost? That rushing drive got them back into it somewhat, it gave them their only pts through 3 qtrs. if they don't go behind 21-3 maybe they can run a little more? either way he had the ball in his hands w/ the chance to tie or win in the final minute and he failed. Where were the 40-50 yd runs like we had in 2009? you don't seem to mind those but James has a 9, 10 and 15 yd run and that is mentioned? The Colts D kept them in the game, Indy is an O first team expected to be led by their O. We are a D first team expected to be led by our D. Indy's D set up peyton to tie or win it, he failed like he so often does in January. heck, Den gave him 14 pts on STs and he still couldn't win last year. maybe they can try for 21 next year?
All that to say that Sanchez is good and it just so happen that the team had a top 5 defense, great oline and run game. He only sucked because he was throwing to Jason Hill, Reuland, Gates, Gilyard etc. No QB could have had succeeded with those players as weapons NONE.
The whole point is that he was in position to lead the game winning drive based on the running game rushing for 169 yards and 2 TDs. Just like Manning was in position based on a break he got and a great play by the D. How is it that you blame the Jets D for us being down 24-3 against the Steelers in the 2010 AFC Champ game when we only scored 3 points on O and then go on to blame the Colts O for being down 21-3? He had the ball in his hands with a chance to win and gained nearly the same amount of yards as Sanchez did against a much tougher D. The difference is 1 kicker missed and the other didn't. Manning did not have kind of help from his running game that Sanchez had in his. A 9, 15 and 10 yard gain on 3 carries in 1 drive is the best he got all game. We were able to run all over the Colts. The kicker failed! I seem to remember the Broncos still being tied in the 4th quarter with those 2 ST touchdowns. I remember Manning leading an 11 play drive to take the lead late in the 4th. A lead that held until the last 41 seconds when the D allowed a 70 bomb to tie it. Manning gets his share of the blame for what happened after that, but it is funny to hear you blame Manning when the D had the lead with 41 seconds left in the game and allowed a 70 yard bomb to tie it. The same guy that blames our D instead of Sanchez for the loss against the Tebow led Broncos when Sanchez threw a pick 6 and led our O to 13 points all game. :rofl:
So you are comparing a good run game to an obvious INT being overturned and getting a fumbled returned to midfield when a team had 1st and G at the 2 just needing to run the clock out? The Jets are a D first team, the Colts are an O first team. The expectations are the D will keep us in games and the Colts O will keep them in games. W/ us we got back to w/in a score and the D failed, w/ Indy they had the ball w/ a chance to tie and they failed. Manning's RBs averaged 4.1 YPC we averaged 4.3 Peyton calls the plays, he abandoned the run and didn't run enough in the first half. The kicker failed too but the reason they loset was b/c their best player didn't play like it. Yep, Denver still had chances until Peyton threw an INT to set up the GW FG for Baltimore. 3 Peyton TOs led directly to 17 Bal pts and they won by 3 in OT. The D gets their share of the blame but if the QB played like the star he is that game is never close. Again, I blame Mark and the O too but the D allowed a QB who can't pass to go 95 yds in the final minutes.
So now we are keeping 2012 if it looks good for Sanchez? Make up your mind, all of it counts and Sanchez is reflected by it. Also that STL game doesn't work over the course of the season unless you have a top 5 run game and defense. WE ran in twice on 3rd and long in the RZ and scored. We rarely asked Sanchez to throw. You are handicapping yourself if you try to hide your QB like that over a 16 game season. It can work, but why handicap yourself that way? It isn't psychobabble, it's not understanding game situations and basic footwork and reads. That's QB stuff he needs to work on. Especially ball security. Factoring 2012 goes like this: Sanchez doesn't get all the blame for the year because he was dealt bad cards. Yet he had his own problems that he needs to fix. Even if surrpunded by great talent, he won't reach a great level unless he fixes those problems that he had last year AND the years previous. Footwork, consistency, understand game situation, treasuring the ball. Those things need to be worked on regardless of talent. If he still struggles there, yeah he might be better next year (not saying much) but he won't great. He will be JAG. I'm not saying Sanchez is as bad as the stats say last year. I'm not blaming him for all of last year, but you have serious green colored glasses if you don't think he has problems that he needs to fix that were highlighted last year and hidden/sporadically seen in past years from him.
I'm comparing a QB that had no run game and and a D that allowed 21 points who got 2 breaks at the end to a QB who had a great run game and a D that only allowed 16 points who got a great return from the special teams near the 50. I don't care about O first or D first team. I evaluate them based on what they did in the games. Manning RBs averaged 4.1 YPC on 14 carries for 58 yards. 3 carries on 1 drives accounted for more than half the yardage. We averaged 4.3 YPC on 38 carries and had two touchdowns. Big difference! You think Manning abandoning the run had anything to do with the D allowing 21 points in the first 3 quarters and the fact that they were averaging 2 YPC on all but 3 carries? Manning's Int and fumble led to 17 Baltimore points, but Baltimore scored 38 points. Manning threw 3 TDs including a TD drive in the 4th which gave them the lead and the D allowed a 70 pass with 41 seconds left in the game. Yet, all we hear from you is how Manning choked. I agree he gets his share of the blame, but we don't hear anything else from you except how Manning choked. Sanchez threw a pick 6 and 0 TDs while his D only allowed 10 points the whole game and all we hear is how the D choked. This is what the other poster was talking about and you do it all of the time. It is a separate set of rules for Sanchez.
Manning choked in the AFCCG, that's an obvious statement. 3 turnovers (2 int and a fumble). With the last interception, throwing the football across his body. A cardinal sin in football, Peyton also had help from Special Teams as well. Not to butt in, but the dude straight up choked
I agree that he gets his share of blame, but would you be saying he choked if the D didn't allow that 70 bomb with 42 seconds left? He had the turnovers but also had 3 TD passes including 1 in the 4th that gave them the lead. My point is that junc has no problem placing all the blame on Manning, but when Sanchez throws a pick 6 and throws 0 TDs while the D only allows 10 the whole game, the majority of the blame gets placed on the D instead of Sanchez. It is straight up bias and is why no one takes him seriously.
I would have said clutch factor if this was still 2010... But even that seems to be long gone. Honestly, I can not point out one thing Sanchez does better than average right now.
He seems to be more durable than most quarterbacks. Guy takes monster hits, and still comes back to screw things up
Yeah the example you provided about Sanchez is absolutely correct. I think it also depends when the pick 6 happened and if the offense redeemed themselves. If the defense let's up a 70 yard drive at the end then I prob would get mad at the defense. Peyton def played reckless though that game and it cost his team dearly, but your post on Sanchez I'm with you on that
This is what bothers me. Too many people (read the media) let the name on the jersey affect their analysis. There's a great article by Bill Barnwell flipping Tom Brady's playoff career and how people would talk about him differently. I mean imagine if Peyton Manning threw a 4th quarter INT in a close game only to have his WR strip the DB and recover the ball for the offense. http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/8864682/bill-barnwell-conference-championships It sums up with this, Agreed Peyton played reckless. Although the way they gave up the TD is probably the more heartbreaking than them actually blowing the lead. A hail mary and the DB misplaying the ball. The one thing the DB shouldn't be doing
He had a run game, he just didn't use it. When he did they scored. If you are going to use that excuse then you must really love what Sanchez did at Cincy and SD in the 2009 playoffs. at Cincy: RBs averaged 4.7 YPC but take away the 39 yd run and runs of 12,15 & 14 they only averaged 2.8 YPC. What a great job by Mark to overcome that! at SD: RBs averaged 4.6 YPC but take away the runs of 53 and 11 and they only averaged 2.4 YPC. Another spectacular job by Mark to overcome. is 21 pts an incredible amount? for an offense that averaged 27 pts a game shouldn't they be able to score more than 21? the last TD drive began on the Indy 30. Could the D have played better? Sure but the D kept them at least in the game and they stopped Indy from scoring a couple of times when they had great FP including at the Indy 2 where they returned a fumble to near midfield to set up the great offense needing just a FG. 38-17=21 w/o those TOs they EASILY win that game. Peyton had 3 possessions after Bal tied it late in the 4th and FAILED. His STs gave him 14 points, he only led his O to 21 pts in a game that needed 38 to win. The D allowed a QB that can't throw to go 95 yds in the final minutes, they didnt' allow Denver to tie, they allowed them to score a TD and win. mark didn't get a chance to throw an INT in OT to set up the GW FG like Peyton did. Brady had 3 SB wins by that point and led 2 last second SB wins, whether they win that game or not his legacy is intact and Brady helped win that game and make the title game w/ RECHE CALDWELL and JABAR GAFFNEY as his main weapons. When has Peyton ever had to work w/ talent like that? NEVER. This leads to the perfect example. Brady gets a HUGE break w/ Brown getting the ball back and leads his O to a game tying TD on the road and then led O to GW FG on next drive. Peyton after MULTIPLE huge breaks can't even get that Pitt game to OT at HOME. There is no comparison btw the 2 even though Brady has played more Peyton like the last few years.
I wouldn't go that far, I can name a lot of worst QB's in NFL history. But the worst current starting QB in the NFL over the past 4 years, yep.
How could he not be? we had the best talent in the NFL, w/ almost any other QB we'd have 4 SB titles in the last 4 years. Damn that guy for holding us back!:rofl2:
