Now we are almost on the same page. You nailed it whenyou say he sunk to the level of talent around him. The passing offense, far more than a defense needs to be built and grow. Yet youre changing the number one WR every year, never brining in blue chip talent, and in fact isong flawed talent around your ridiculously green QB. This uear you return Holmes, Kerley and Hill have another year under heir belts, and for the first time...a decent OC. I dont think its beyond reason to say, logic dictates you gotta kick the tires, since youve paod for the car already.
Sanchez's horrible performance was not entirely his fault in fact. The biggest mistake Tannenbaum made after drafting Sanchez was to constantly trade picks away - and IGNORE the offensive talent base. Year after year, Sanchez was stripped of his protection, weapons and safety net. One at a time. OL depth was never addressed (Do not - I repeat - DO NOT BRING VLAD AS OL ADDITION. He was a project taken in 2nd round. Stupidity at its best. I always tag 'stupidity' to a talent-needy team grabbing high-ceiling [project] with day 1 pick any time I see it.) They let Thomas Jones go, without a suitable RB option. Braylon Edwards - what a colossal fiasco. And the juggling of Plax and Mason and all other jokes that go with it. Add in the borderline moronic hiring of Sparano, and you have a colossal failure that is Mark Sanchez a la '2012. In short, this franchise has done everything they could possibly come up with, just to sabotage the kid. Maybe this is why I still have some soft spot for the kid. I feel sorry for Sanchez. I really do. I have never seen a QB fucked so thoroughly by his own franchise like Sanchez - and yet he's still trying to be a good soldier. ------------------------------------------------------------------ Ok - back to the topic. In this viewpoint, you can see that Idzik addressed a lot of these issues in but one offseason. Of course the protection won't be there next season - but there is a very good chance that the protection will return to the norm by 2014. MM vs Sparano - you don't need to look twice there. Also came Chris Ivory (and Mike as well). The only thing I didn't like out of the off-season move was the decision to let Keller walk. Other than that, in two years at most, Sanchez will have almost as much as what he had earlier. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I still think Santonio has to go. Jets can do better at #1 receiver spot. Also they need very good TE play. That will be the focus of next draft, regardless of whether Sanchez stays or not. For now, if you are Sanchez fanboy (like I once was about a year and half ago) you'd better pray David Lee can pull some magic out of his hat. Sanchez's biggest problem now looks like himself - his borderline stupid decision making, atrocious fundamentals all around and his piss-poor footwork. Remember. Sanchez developed them in four years. He won't fix it in one off-season either. He has to show enough progress to deter the team from cutting him - which will be a tall order.
Well reasoned, i would say, holmes should be replaced, just this year osnt the year. on, the Sanchez/Lee/MM front, I would say...I think they can get him to perform week in week out, like he did in the St. Louis game, without breaking a sweat. I think the challenge for them, is taking him from that performance, to being able to okay week in and week put, like he did in week one, but against better teams. How much of that can be factored into MMs scheming, remains to be seen, but by all available observation, the short passing game (St.Louis), coupked with shots down and outside seem to suit Sanchez, and the oneweakness that keeps coming up with Smith is deep down the sideline. Last year there was no hope for intermediate outside routes, because Sparano abandoned throwing to the backs. But even the year prior, he wasnt very good at it... Which is a big question for Sanchez. If MM goes short, ( like an inverted T) and insode the hashes where Sanchez playes well, and gets him shotsdown the sidelines, can they openup those intermediate outs enough so that the flaw isnt exposed...
The one mistake the Jets made was assuming that Sanchez was ready to elevate the talent around him. They thought they can be cheap and put whoever at WR because Sanchez can make it work. Other than that the Jets treated him fairly imo.
I dont think your assumption about their assumption makes any sense. The guy was a dozen starts removed from his last High School game when they drafted him. They knew how green he was... I think its a safer bet that they either ignored him, or were inept. My thinking is the latter.
Yeah, you could kick the tires... But you have another, fresh car that was just bought without any where and tear of a bad driver... Fact of the matter is, you are clearly biased towards Sanchez as a person. Not a player. If you were just concerned about the player, you would be rooting for Smith to be great. If you were concerned about the actual future of the football team and the play of the QB position, you would have a much more hopeful opinion on Geno. Yet, for some reason, all of your hope lies with a QB who very well could not start, and has a decent chance of not even making the roster. And maybe Sanchez brought down the talent around him? It works both ways. Sanchez showed nothing in the last 2 years to prove that his talent surpasses that of the players around him. In his first 2 years, Sanchez was carried by the rest of the offense (and defense) for the majority. He made his fair share of key throws here and there, but he was definitely not someone who raised the play of those around him on a consistent basis.
1985er is right on this one. Its clear that after 2010, the franchise was backed up against a wall from the cap, and put its faith in Sanchez. They thought that he could elevate the players around him. They expected a big jump from Sanchez, and thought that even though the talent around him decreased, he could improve and take the next step as a 3rd year QB and be a plus player on offense. As much as I think Tanny fucked up here, I dont really fault him for this. You have a 3rd year QB who just came off of a season where he led some nice comebacks and one game shy of the SB, and you have to believe that he can step up. Fact of the matter is, he didnt. Its a simple as that. As much as many here want to scream that the organization screwed up Sanchez, they had faith in him and he failed himself. In an ideal world, we have more cap room and Sanchez gets Braylon back and we sign a better RT, but its not an ideal world...
are you talking about Sanchez? who cares how "green" he was when they drafted him, he was no longer green by his third year. the guy had two full NFL seasons under his belt and two AFCCG appearances. that is pretty damn good NFL experience, so it was a fair assumption that Sanchez was ready to take the next step and be the type of difference making QB that makes the talent around him better. He improved greatly from year 1 to year 2, so why shouldn't they have believed he would continue to improve from 2 to 3? he didn't, and the team paid the price for that assumption.
On Movin' the Chains on NFL satellite radio, they said reports were coming out that the Jets are really impressed with Geno and that they hope he can be the starter. Also that may be the exit for Sancho. I hope this true.
the good days of Sanchez as a Jet. He wasn't great, but did what he had to. I'd be right there with you defending him if others wanted him gone. Now? I'm not sure his ceiling is much higher than that description, and I'm questioning if he can even reach that point with us again, or if we should even tolerate having to work with a QB that has fallen to broken habits he was fighting injuries to his already average weapons and a terribly vanilla offensive scheme, but its where he had to hold his end of the bargain, to make the best decisions and actions he could on every down, that he faltered. Happens to the best out there, but he did it far too much, bad talent be damned he was a poor quarterback a majority of the time.(not always, but not enough to commit too longterm after what should have been years getting in the right habits at the very least) I'm more inclined to move toward the future and do it right than try to keep going with the guy that seems to have lost us. Maybe he proves me wrong, but barring Smith doing poorly that just screams making him trade bait to me. He needs a new start and so do we, No matter what unless he's backing up Smith who turns out to be everything we want him to be, he should be out of here by the end of the season. Those old days giving the air of man that can handle big games,the jets paying part of a salary they would already have too(and would have to pay less of as a result), along with at least marginal improvement in TC this year could lead to him being a good QB for trade. There might be a good number looking for a new QB, particularly of the veteran variety. With that the Jets shave a few off the cap and even get another player or so. I think thats where we are right now with him, I don't think the Jets want to keep him at all, so much as use him as competition, perhaps as a backup, perhaps as a trading piece. I watch that game and think, "man that was nice, but its over now what can we do to move on?"
good post and in the end it cost Tanny his job. If Sanchez had developed into a good QB, say top 15. No one would even notice how much of an average RB Shonne Greene was, how average the receiving corps were, the lack of pass rush on defense etc.
see i thought we were getting somewhere junc, i really thought this bullshit topic could end... but i walk away for an hour and come back to this... fuck it i tried to make peace.
i read somewhere that they are probably gonna wait until preseason to see how Geno looks and if Gerrard can stay healthy to decide whether to cut Sanchez. My take is that even if Gerrard isn't healthy, it shouldn't stop them from cutting Mark, let McElroy be the backup.
I don't have a problem w/ that line of thinking regarding him. I am not sure if he can ever recover here too but w/ a big cap hit this year I want to see him get the chance to earn his job back BUT if they are convinced Geno is going to be a good one I guess we'd have to move on sooner than later.
Holmes is a solid receiver, and he was traded for during his prime. Braylon was traded for during his prime and had made a probowl with Derek Anderson as his QB. Keller was talented enough to be a first round pick. Kerley is a solid receiver, and although Hill was out for half of the year, he was still talented enough to be a 2nd round pick. For instance, you look at Andrew Luck or RG3 or Cam Newton or even Russel Wilson, and they are all young players with not great skill players. Luck has Reggie Wayne who many believed was on his way out of the league prior to this year, and a bunch of unknown rookies and a horrible OL and run game. RG3 has Pierre Garcon who was injured for much of the season and then not much. Cam Newton has Steve Smith who is at the tail end of his career and thats it. Russel Wilson had an underachieving Sydney Rice. All of those players have had less experience in the NFL, and not and talented of an offense around them compared to Sanchez's 1st two years. In Sanchez's last two seasons he had similar talent around him, when healthy (which I understand was for only half of 2012 or so). Point is, Sanchez has much more experience than all of those QBs in the NFL, and had similar talent around him. He was never able to lead an offense and raise the talent around him. Just wondering, but what "talent" does Sanchez have now? He has an average arm, poor accuracy, flaw footwork, poor decision making, lacks ability to consistently read defenses, and has lost his confidence/leadership.
he got Braylon in 2009 after week 4. he got Holmes in 2010 after week 4(though at least he had time to work w/ him in the offseason and camp he was really good in 2010 w/ both of those guys, in 2011 he only had 1 left and 3 of his main weapons were out of the league in 2012. if we had 2010 talent he's still be playing well, it has eroded quickly since that 2010 season.
Yeah...I forgot that Sanchez dragged the Jets to playoff glory in '09/'10. I just wish I could forget how he played last year. And Thanksgiving? Sanchez threw for over 300 yards the week after the Indy game... in a loss at New England. Pretty impressive stuff. Oh yeah...his 97 yards at Arizona impressed even Rex Ryan.
I don't really understand this tho. If by that time even if they feel like Geno should start and Garrard would be the backup thus leaving Sanchez at #3QB why get rid of him? Are they going to save any money from it? And it's not like with Tebow where Mark would be a distraction. Doubt any fans will be chanting Sanchez in the stands if Geno/Garrard has a bad game.
