Be careful guys. If your argument is too good, Hobbes will want to "agree to disagree", so tone down on the logic.
OMFG, do yourself a favour and watch it in 'real time', most of us on this board could have made that throw. I'm really struggling to understand how/why you can't see this. It's not like this is an isolated case either. Without wishing to post every single ludicrous 'Stevie Wonder' moment you really need to take a step back and see the wood, not the trees. I do think that a new team and start would benefit him, and would welcome being 'wrong' about him, but not the here and now thank you
The pictures dont lie. Im not saying it was a good play, but calling Hill wide open on that play, before he goes to Keller is the essence of delusion, as I said the only way Hill comes open on that play, os if he pump fakes to Keller and comes back. But then he needs to trust Hill to make that adjustment.
Any decent QB in this league has to be able to look off CBs. A good QB hits Hill for that TD by looking off the defender.
Ive seen it in real time, even on the replay, the announcer looking back, says...he had Hill but looked off of him. Because in isolation and from above you,re not seeing the read from the field. The 1st pic in the sequence shows you hill RUNNING, arm extended calling for the pass, Sanchez sees the two defenders in front of him. Everyone on the board, could have zipped it to Keller...why he went soft there, is minboggling. And FWIW, in the here and now he is still the best QB on the team, unless youd like to ruin Smith, becaise your bias is so strong. Austin Howard, second year starter. Three choices at Guard, two draftees, or Colon. Yeah, lets ruin Smith. Or Hey...lets go with Garrard, get him injured, and Smith loses the most valuable mentor hes going to get. The only way this really works out for everyone, is Sanchez starts,garrard carrries a clipboard, and Smith sits this year, at least...until the running game and line are settled in. And...fwiw...if you actually read the write up...Smiths pro lems pretty much mirror Sanchez, except...Sanchez is a tad better long and outside.
Point being, once Sanch gets locked onto a target he finds it difficult/impossible to go anywhere else. I'm no QB coach and confess to know very little about what makes them tick, but I do know D and in particular seconadry, and LOVED playing against and coaching against players like this, even the fundamentals at the level I played at are the same
Agreed. In that situation, if you can't lob it in there (which I'm certain one could) throw the ball up over Hill's head, out of the reach of either defender, and make him leap and grab it! At the WORST it's a throw-away thru the endzone. Hill's a big target, he could probably bring down a ball thrown a little high. Terrible play by a terrible Quarterback. There's no excuses for decisions like this. It wasn't the OL, the weapons, the play-call, it was Sanchez. And he does these kinds of things with regularity. That's why I want him gone. I don't care if Garrard is the same (which he is not based on his career to this point). I'd rather someone else screw this team over.
acad would say the only thing that went wrong on that play is that the defender didnt step out of bounds soon enough therefore negating the brilliance of the coffin corner interception
What argument are you even trying to make? Sanchez can simply not throw outside the hashes consistently. The only throws he is somewhat below average at (notice how he isnt even average here), is over the middle. If you are a QB and can only utilize half of the field, you are pretty useless. MM isnt going to change his inability to throw the ball consistently outside the numbers. MM's offense isnt predicated on the long-ball (which Sanchez happens to suck at also). Its goal is to spread a defense horizontally, and then take occasion shots. If you can not be a threat to consistently throw outside the numbers, then you can not stretch a defense horizontally. If you cant stretch the defense horizontally, then you can not successfully take shots. Its quite simple. Sanchez isnt a good fit.
the worst part of this is that when sancho gets cut in the near future (22 days i think) his new excuse will be that he just doesnt fit mm system and its mm fault.
Still working that June 1 thing....? Could you do the informational content of the thread a favor, and learn what it really means?
There are two flavors of outside the hashes....mid level throws, and down the sideline throws. Hes actually decent down the sideline. Its the tighter intermediate throws where he has the most problems, and that was exacerbated last season by completely ignoringnthe backs in the passing game. If your contention is that there is some 'perfect' QB...i have yet to see him play. It aint Manning.... It aint Brady.... And Ben has a pretty big arm, but its not him either. The first two, are afforded the opportunity to force the defense to defend the whole field. Schotty rarely did that (and if you watched todays rerun of the 2010 game in Pitt, Schotty himself admitted it). And Sparano was even worse. Brady makes his living on the underneath routes. Manning can throw all the routes, no question...but over his career has folded in pressure situaution like a cheap tent. And with an unequaled level of surrounding skill talent no less. So, at the end of the day....every player has flaws...Sanchez, more than many that play his position, but....some of the issues related to his play, go beyond his issues, and extend elsewhere. The play we were discussing is a perfect example of one of marks glaring issues..judgement. He sees Hill running into coverage, sees his security blanket wide open, but misses the wide open running lane. Then instead of throwing it like he wants to hurt Keller with the ball he tries to float it in....(check out his feet in the pic, on prev page) thats just mind boggling. There is no defense for that. But every QB makes bad throws...the question is, can they be eliminated by coaching and/or playcalling.
So you admit he is a shitty decision-maker? This is a big step. Decision making is one of the key aspects of being a Quarterback, and the most important mental aspect. This being the case (him making stupid decision after stupid decision), he is not cut out to be a successful NFL quarterback imo.
Then, I would think you taught your guys to read drops. Look at the pic, the play call is a three step drop so, hes suupposed to get the ball out, and to the "look off " crowd, I said, had that been a vet, he probably goes back to the Hill route, but hes not counting on a rookie to make the adjustment there. Shit, three steps backpeddling would have gotten him back to Hill. He should have either thrown it on a line to Keller, or Run with it. He threw it up for grabs, in The scoring zone, which is inexcusable.
He made a horrific play, my problem with that play is ignoring everything wrong with that play, to scream HILL WAS OPEN. He wasnt, until Sanchez was going somewhere else with the ball. Every player makes bad plays. And that one was awful. Lofting that ball...? However..there is a context to the season, in particular. 2011, Sanchez has much to answer for. Its irrational to try to make any critique out of 2012. Between no Skill depth, and the OC, Sanchez performance is well down the list of issues, with 6-10. And..I hate to keep pointing it out...but the one game, they actually called decent plays late in the season, St.Louis...he did everything that MM will be asking him to do, and completed 75%....though only on 20 throws...after getting sacked four times early. Ive never said the guy was perfect. I just realize weve had a shitty system of development around a talented guy, that has basically set him up for failure, and that screws the team...short term, and long term.
Lol, the first picture has him wide open, by 5 yards to either side. It's about as open as you can get that close to the end zone. If anyone's going to argue that he wasn't open when Sanchez is looking directly at his direction, then I don't have anything more to add. It's a horrible play. There is no way around it. That's a throw a HS kid makes, because the defense just doesn't have the time to react that close to the goal line. Not like he's throwing the ball from the 30 or anything. For where the ball is on the field, Hill is about as open as you can be without the defense just falling down. And about the article itself, it's from BR, which is a crap site, albeit they seem to have gotten much better lately. But it's a tale of the tape type article which show the strengths and weaknesses of the QB options on the team. The tape of the negative for Sanchez was pretty self explanatory, I don't think I would've even needed to add much words to it for people to understand how horrible of a decision that was. Every QB misses wide open guys, even on plays where they get completions, there is a chance you'll see someone wide open on the other side of the field at times. Almost always, it's because the QB's progressions didn't reach that player, and thus he unloaded before he got a chance to see that wide open receiver. But it sucks when a QB looks directly at a wide open guy and then checks down to a covered guy and throws an INT. Sanchez may or may not improve in the WCO. But what we do know so far is that he's been a below average QB so far into his career and progressing downward. I'd be pretty surprised if he legitimately beats out Smith in competition. If it wasn't for the contract, I'm pretty sure he wouldn't even be on the roster right now.
Oh really? Describing a QB who can throw up the middle well and outside the numbers is a perfect QB who dont exist? Do you watch any other football besides Jets games? I can name many QBs who can do this. Are you saying that Brady can not throw outside the numbers and up the middle? Or Manning? They can exploit any area on the field. Like you said Sanchez has more flaws than many at his position. So what is so difficult to acknowledge that he isnt our best option for out future QB? And I 100% think you are dead wrong on defendng Sanchez on the Seahawks play. If you watch the play, when Sanchez is looking towards Hill, Hill is on his way to being completely open. Any QB with some anticipation and some arm strength has a TD there.
The only time Brady has been asked to rely on outside the hash is when they had moss. Dont take my word for it look at his 2012 targets. Welker, then lloyd, gronk,hernandez woodhead, edelman. 2 slots, two Tes a rb, and one WR. (excluding the also rans) Pretty much clear how Brady makes his living. Or maybe, for the sake of argument, you can say Im wrong, while disproviing that Welker was the straw that stirred that particular drink..not an outside, mid range guy. System...player. He's great at it, but..give him sparano or schotty and get back to me Manning? You are joking roght? Manning can put the ball on any guy, any place on the field. As long as hes not pressured. 41-0 in the Meadowlands ring a bellgetting beat versus Sanchez ring a bell? And as i pointed out...look at the first round talent hes been afforded. And.. You are english challenged...i pointed out that there are a myriad number of errors on the Seachickens play. The hill being open thing isnt one of them. Try reading what I actually said, instead of twisting it to suit your argument.
