At the end of the day we can bash one player for sucking, but people still aren't looking at the big picture. The internal factors that play a role in a players performance. To me with the injuries the Jets suffered and the inept offensive coaching, Sanchez didn't stand a chance. If you told me the Jets main veteran weapons would miss the majority of the season, and we are left starting garbage off the street WRs. I would believe it. Mark can't carry the offense.
You don't think yardage matters on defense? Offenses don't benefit from shorter fields and extra possessions? The difference from 1 and 21 is major. The Jets defense allowed the team to run as much as they did. It also helps that the Jet o-line was fantastic. I don't think anyone would describe the 2012 fish o-line as such. Without looking silly, you can't suggest the 2012 Dolphins were of equal talent to the '09 Jets.
it does but that can be skewed sometimes, where was the average starting FP? that tells me more than defensive yds allowed. I am sure we were better but Miami's D was good last year, good enough to be a playoff team. we had more talent w/o a doubt but the dolphins had talent too, enough to at least be in the playoff hunt and they weren't.
Don't you always tell people that they are admitting to not being able to handle themselves in a debate when they make stuff up? Since you are making stuff up I take it that you are waving the white flag? When did I say NE never scored any offensive points? You ask "Where have our schools failed us?" "Why do so many struggle w/ basic reading comprehension?" And you struggle with it yourself? :rofl2: I said we held NE on 5 out of 6 drives. That means we didn't hold them on 1 drive. The D gets there share of the blame for allowing that 80 drive last year but Sanchez gets his share for leaving time on the clock which helped NE score. There is a reason Rex called the time out "The stupidest thing in football history." Even if we scored a TD, why would NE "Need" to score when they would still be leading by 6 points or 2 points? Are you telling me that they just didn't feel like scoring in 5 out of their 6 drives in the first half? I never said it was a lock but I like our chances against that D with a 1st down inside the 20. I like our chances of holding them to at least a FG after that. I like our chances of scoring a FG and maybe more if we don't start on our own 5 yard line. What is not logical is ignoring Greene who is wide open for a 1st down and a whole lot more. Then assuming that we can't do anything on 3rd down. Then assuming that we miss a long FG and give NE great FP. Then assuming NE scores and we can't do anything before the half. None of those things are logical. It wouldn't have been a 56 yard FG if Sanchez makes the easy check down throw instead of his pump and chuck. By the way, we made a 56 yard FG right before the half. GB started on the 20 because Matt Ryan isn't as good a punter as Sanchez is. :rofl: NE can score at will on us, so it shouldn't matter where they started right? You also said you didn't care where the TO was. You said: "It doesn't matter where that first TO was, he gave a great offense the ball back and prevented his team from getting at least 3 pts." The same applies for Sanchez until we put the SuperFan twist on it. Keep up the good work!
I never wanted us to draft Tannehill because I thought he was overhyped much like Sanchez coming out of college but he impressed me last year. He did blow some chances to win games for us but for a rookie with limited weapons he looked solid. And I totally expect you to trash him to Phins trolls. I can't stand most of them, which is why I post here so much. I overstated Bess being a JAG. He is very quick and has great hands, you just kinda want a little more out of a slot WR. Not sure I like the idea of Brandon Gibson replacing him though.
And as I have said ad nauseum, the reason they don't throw the ball as much out of the backfield is because his accuracy on those throws is piss poor. It might be his worst throw. If you watched the games you would know this to be true. You would know that he throws above or behind the RB in the flat or the WR on screens. And his stats at or behind the LOS bear that out. But you ignore this because you don't care about facts.
I'd have to disagree with that assumption. Clearly the fish weren't satisfied with their 21st ranked defense or they wouldn't have invested the dollars and draft picks they did in the unit this off-season. I certainly didn't expect that unit to make up for the lack oft playmakers on offense last year.
You didn't but you did say: you were clearly trying to paint it as if we were dominating their offense. This is basic reading comprehension and you failed AGAIN. 80 yds in a minute, I don't care if they had 9 timeouts- that shouldn't happen. Sense of urgency is greater in hurry up situations, let's look at their last possession of 1st halves throughout the 2012 season: game 1: TD 2: took over at their 10, got to AZ side of field. 3: 81 yd TD drive in less than 2 mins against Bal 4: fumble 5: FG 6: FG 7: punt(our game) from drive that started at their 2 8: TD 9: TD 10: FG 11: TD 12: FG 13: punt 14: punt 15: TD 16: TD 11 scores in 16 games, almost 70% of the time. That's pretty good, right? I like their chances against our D especially the D that we have had the last 2 years that has had difficulty in end of half/game situations. it was 54 yd FG right before the half and Folk has the ability but that's far from a chipshot. I am sure you would agree, kickers have made 60+ yd FGs but do you want to attempt them? of course not.
who were the great defensive FAs they got? I am not sure they upgraded at all for 2012 unless Jordan is a disruptive force from day 1 and obviously he wasn't a FA. I was underwhelmed by their defensive FA additions.
it is absolutely amazing how you can paint such amazingly different pictures. regarding sanchez and any other qb in the league. its always always always skewed. every single time, every single guy that is brought up. its well his team was this or that or the other and ours didnt live make the plays. its just so blatant how you skew everything. this is why nobody will debate with you. you are simply making shit up as you go along.
at what point did I ever call sanchez great? at what point did I ever say sanchez carried us to wins? at what point did I bash Tannehill? READING, it's a lost art.
Well they landed two lbs who figure to start in Wheeler and Ellerbe and added Grimes. They then used 4 of their top 5 picks, including their top two, on defense. The point wasn't if you liked the additions or not, it's that Miami clearly felt the 2012 unit was lacking.
they let go of 2 decent starters too, 2 more proven players who aren't much older. It's not like they focused on D, they had money to burn and spent it( a philosophy I don't like) but they spent much of their offseason focused on bringing in talent on O. They certainly made a big splash but did they make the right moves? also, it's not as if Ireland has ever built a contender before. By the way, after our 2009 season we looked to upgrade our D too. we drafted a DB in rd 1, acquired Cromartie and Brodney Poole. teams are always looking to improve.
Why is it fair to make a favorable comparison of Sanchez to a great like Steve Young, who sat for years and didn't have progression stats in the NFL to compare to Sanchez... ... and unfair to compare him to Brady, who spent the better part of a decade with nothing but retread and subpar receivers and backs? Maybe we should stop comparing Mark Sanchez to great passers and stick with comparing him to passers that are closer to his level of performance. Otherwise, you are delusional.
we shouldn't compare him to HOFers but to be fair when Young didn't have talent he was a bust, when he took over a dynasty he became a HOfer while choking in big games and only winning 1 SB w/ a team that should have won at least 2 or 3 more.
Perhaps, though there's little reason for me to believe that Sanchez would have won 3 games as a rookie with that level of talent either. Sheesh, imagine his numbers with that talent and no experience...
If we really, truly compared him to Hall Of Famers... and not just the ones who compare favorably during one tiny cross-section of their careers... neither of you would feel like you had a leg to stand on.
at what point did i say that you said he was great? what i said is that you will take 2 almost exact situations and spin them in completely opposite directions based solely on the name that is on the back of the jersey. you do it constantly. that is why people refuse to debate with you. its just not possible. even now look at how you are turning this into me saying you said something which i did not say. shit you even quoted me.
Of course not, people wonder why I am so critical of peyton and not as much w/ Mark. It's b/c Peyton's standards are so much higher, he's an all time great and should be evaluated based on that. I can't compare the 2 as if they are equals. if you actually read the posts you'd see how wrong you are. Maybe I give Mark the benefit of the doubt a little bit more but I am fair in my evaluation of all QBs. You guys act like I say Sanchez is great and can never do any wrong which just isn't the case.
I said our D was doing fine in the first half and explained that 9 of their 16 points came from special teams and a safety. I'm not trying to paint a picture, I am stating the facts. We held their offense to 0 points on 5 out of their 6 possessions in the 1st half. You interpret that to me saying that NE didn't score any offensive points and then say I am the one who failed at reading and comprehension AGAIN? :rofl: I love it when you write in caps! I know that you know you are getting destroyed when you do that. Lol!! Why does it matter what NE did against 14 other defenses throughout a season? We are talking about what they did in 1 game. You talk about sense of urgency is greater in a hurry up situation and then go on to list a NE TD before the half in the Titans game when there was over 7 minutes left in the half. :rofl: You got several last possessions of the 1st halves wrong. The whole argument is stupid but if you actually look at their last possessions of first halves, you will find they they were held to a FG or no points 63% of the time. They scored TDs on their last possession of the half only 37% of the time. That isn't too far off of the percentage of converting a 3rd and 8 that you called remote at best. Lol!! That pick took points off the board for us and didn't change NE's field all that much. We are most likely talking about 18 yards. NE pinned us on our own 5 yardline after they started on their own 2 after Mark's pick. If Mark throws it to Greene, we could have scored at least a FG if not a TD, and there is no reason why we couldn't have held them to 0 points, or at least a FG. Even if they make a FG, that changes our FP. We scored a FG starting on our own 5. You can't use logic and say we were better off with that pick. It is an argument only a SuperFan can make.
