May I remind people that the WCO™(worst case offense) is based on speculative failure. Scoring points just pisses off the other team and motivates them to score points against us. Look to the week 13 game last season. We ran the WCO™ to perfection.
Here's a cute little article from the LA Times on 5/22- The New York Jets enter the 2013 season with one of the most unsettled quarterback situations in the National Football League, and even head coach Rex Ryan told ESPN Radio via Pro Football Talk that he's not sure who the starter will be in Week 1. The thing is, Ryan may say "I don’t think there’s a clear-cut favorite in my opinion," but he knows just as well as the New York media, the fans and everyone else that it's going to be Mark Sanchez under center when the season begins. And as depressing as that sounds, that's for the best. Sadly, Mark Sanchez Is Still Rex Ryan's Best Option at Quarterback The New York Jets enter the 2013 season with one of the most unsettled quarterback situations in the National Football League, and even head coach Rex Ryan told ESPN Radio via Pro Football Talk that he's not sure who the starter will be in Week 1. The thing is, Ryan may say "I don’t think there’s a clear-cut favorite in my opinion," but he knows just as well as the New York media, the fans and everyone else that it's going to be Mark Sanchez under center when the season begins. And as depressing as that sounds, that's for the best. Ryan indicated to ESPN that it will be Sanchez that takes the first snap under center in training camp, but Ryan also maintains that Sanchez is going to have to improve this year. “I haven’t lost confidence in Mark, but I do know this: The play at quarterback has to get better,” Ryan said. “There’s no doubt. Whether it’s Mark or someone else we know we have to improve in that area without a doubt. I guess we can file that in the ‘no kidding’ category, but that’s it: It has to get better. I believe that Mark will get a lot better but I also believe there’s going to be stiffer competition than there was in past years.” No kidding is right. To say that Mark Sanchez struggled last year would be the understatement to end all understatements. In 2012, the 26-year-old Sanchez had the lowest completion percentage and yardage totals since his rookie year, had twice as many turnovers as touchdown passes and ranked 37th of 38 quarterbacks overall according to Pro Football Focus. In other words, Sanchez was terrible. He regressed as a quarterback in just about every way imaginable and his confidence on the field appeared to be completely destroyed. So, after all that, all the errant passes, turnovers and a butt-fumble for cripes' sake, how can Mark Sanchez possibly still be the Jets' best bet at quarterback? That's a very good (and rather depressing) question. The Jets signed David Garrard, presumably to compete with Sanchez for the starting job at quarterback. Granted, in Garrard's last full season, he completed nearly 65 percent of his passes, threw eight more touchdown passes than interceptions and posted a quarterback rating of over 90. However, that was 2010. Garrard has missed the past two seasons due to back and knee issues. He's 35 years old. Unless Rex Ryan has a time machine, Garrard is at best the shortest of short-term fixes. If Ryan does have a time machine, then Mark Sanchez wouldn't be on the Jets roster to begin with. And forget about Tim Tebow. Just put it out of your head. I'm not going to debate whether Tim Tebow should start, or how successful he would or wouldn't be if he did. As arguments go, that horse has been beaten to death, turned into glue, the glue formed into a statue of a horse and that statue then beaten to death. Yes, I know that new offensive coordinator Marty Mornhinweg and Tebow had a "long discussion" about Tebow's future, according to Lindsay Jones of USA Today, stating that "it'll be interesting to see exactly where he's at." Where he's not going to be is starting at quarterback for the Jets. It's just not going to happen. If it was ever going to, it would have at some point during last year's disaster. It didn't. As to Greg McElroy, if you're hoping that he will morph into an NFL-caliber starting quarterback then my advice is to go buy a ticket for Saturday's $320 million Powerball drawing. The odds are about the same. That leaves the Jets and Sanchez an uneasy couple, at least for one more year. The situation is only exacerbated by the ridiculous extension that the Jets signed Sanchez to last year, a deal that doesn't expire until 2017. It does, however, make him less costly to dump in 2014, so it's do-or-die time for Sanchez. His NFL career is literally on the line. Maybe that will bring out the best in Mark Sanchez, although frankly he's never been a quarterback that posts huge numbers anyway. One way or another, the Jets need to find out, and now is the time. Let's be real here, the only person who doesn't think the Jets are rebuilding this year in Ryan, and that's because he's either delusional or just blinded by the desire to cling to his job as head coach. Is Mark Sanchez a great quarterback? Of course not. Almost certainly never will be. In fact, he may well never be a very good quarterback. We may have already seen his ceiling. That doesn't change the fact that as things stand today he's the best quarterback the Jets have. Although it does kinda make Jets' fans sad.
Thats what I'm afraid of. we shouldn't have to settle or develop a guy that won't get much better no matter what. He'll be mediocre his whole career more than likely, a constant burden rather than a boon to our success. Our conundrum shouldn't have to consistently deal with how do we make our lackluster QB work for us, but in how do we make our stable passer more effective. He's won with us, but it barely means anything if its always gonna be a struggle to make the offense work with him at the helm. We won't get those results often if we won't put ourselves in that spot to do well very often. We can talk all day about adding weapons and a good scheme but man is that QB problem still persistent.
Methinks we're stuck with him for now. But I'm not convinced he can't get better...and by better I mean better than he ever was. The crux of this whole thread, for me at least, is if he can. Most, if not every team, would have cut him loose long ago. He was lucky to land on the Jets. He should have been benched mid-season last year. And that's not 20/20 hindsight...I said it back then. He was shaky from week 2 and it wasn't getting better. Average fans were happy with 82 yrds. passing as long as we won. Now his confidence is shot (maybe) and he's got to prove unequivocally that he's the guy. Tough job considering where he plays and the talent around him. But let's keep debating on what constitutes a good or bad turnover...:rofl:
^^^ See those posts above junc? And yet you continue to come up with snide generalizations as contained in this disingenuous b.s. below? And I don't know why you continued to address your own "Hill being open" argument because to me and many others here it was more about the two wide open checkdowns that was the pertinent question in play, and for me, the checkdown in the right flat since being on the same side of the field as Hill should've made it an easier pickup for Sanchez. That Sanchez made a poor decision was also not the point. It's that Sanchez appeared to show myopic unawareness in not picking up at least 1/2 of the field even when given abundant time to survey that right side. It's his lack of vision on that play that gives me pause as to just what kind of QB this guy really is. As an example (and yes, I'm nit-picking, but just to make a point), take one of Sanchez' best moments as a Jet (as listed in one of my posts above): that playoff TD against SD where he hit Keller as Keller dragged back away from the defender to create a small hole for Sanchez to throw into: while that was a hellava play by both Sanchez and Keller, it was also a play that showed pretty much a one-on-one 'lockdown' (vision-wise) between Sanchez & Keller. While it all ended up well, it is interesting to note that Jerrico Cotchery went in (tight) motion from right-to-left then dragged back across the field to the right with Sanchez. With the Chargers playing zone in the middle, the DB passed Cotchery off to the LB and in that 'space' between them, Cotchery was open earlier in the play but Sanchez never looked at him and instead had focused his attention on Keller--and Keller only--in the corner of the endzone: [youtube]dLR6SM6YJ1E[/youtube] Again, it worked out well so I'm not going to belabor the point any further. What I am getting at is that I'm now wary of whether Sanchez' pump faking and (blindly?) looking off defenders is nothing more than window dressing as opposed to him clearly assessing coverages in front of him and from there going through his progressions; in short, just how much field vision he really possesses.
I guess NE can score on us at will at any time? Why do we even play them? We were doing just fine in the first half. We scored a TD when we were in the red zone before, so I don't see why we couldn't do it again. Our O wasn't great, but NE's D was just as bad. We held NE on 5 out 6 drives in the first half. I like our chances to score with a 1st down near the 20 and our chances to hold NE again. Anyway you slice it, you can't get to being worse off without the pick without assuming the best for NE and the worst for us. I read the actual arguments. It isn't hard to tell who is getting destroyed. I didn't make that stuff up in the last sentence. It was an actual argument from the other SuperFan on this board.
Of course, I am not absolving him of blame. In that NE game he did far more good than bad and that TO was not a killer, that cannot be said for the Ten game. NE has had our # the last 2 years and last I checked they have a pretty damn good QB running that O. we were doing just fine in the first half and still were down. A year ago at home we were doing great in the first half limiting NE to 6 pts until they got it at their 20 in the final min and went 80 yds in a minute. If you think that I can't help you, someday I hope you go back and read the actual arguments. You will be enlightened.
I'm not a gambling man but I'd be willing to bet anything that if we release him he will get picked up again.
yeah he certainly can still play pro ball. plenty of options between CFL, arena league, etc... in the NFL, not a chance.
much to the chagrin of some other fan base given his reputation, he'll find another job in the NFL. Maybe not as starter, but he'll find one. Hes terribly mediocre, but NFL caliber mediocre, not a bad choice to back some other fool up.
I agree that he'll find a job elsewhere, but he is in no way mediocre. Maybe compared to ALL of the QBs in the NFL, which would leave him as a good backup, but not in terms of starting QB standards.
Why cut him June 1st? So basically we're talking about cutting him before training camp and not even giving him a chance in the competition. That would be a huge mistake. If he outplays Garrard and Geno Smith, he should start, bottom line. If not we're robbing ourselves since we already have the money committed. Cutting him early doesn't make sense to me.
I don't agree with terrible RB/OL play. The running game meshed together near the later half of the season. They struggled early, but came back and stepped it up in the second half. OL play was mediocre IMO (decent run blocking and weak pass protection) as was RB play. WR play was terrible, and offensive playcalling was bad.
We were down becasue of a kick off return, a safety and a horrible pick that took points off the board. You can't blame the D for those things. Tell me again why NE was able to go 80 yards before the half last year. I seem to remember a really dumb time out from our QB that left a lot more time on the clock for NE. If NE can score at will on us, then why did they let 18 yards of field position stop them after the pick? That pick not only took points off the board, but it put us in horrible field position on our own 5 after we stopped NE. There are a million different scenarios where we go into the half closer than 6 points down if not for the pick. I read each argument in great detail. I'm not enlightened, but I am entertained. :rofl2: Only you two can defend a buttfumble and compare an interception in FG range to a good punt. You and Hobbes keep up the good work!
Maybe it's beacause they are paying his sorry ass 8.5 million to be here..best to cut him on final cut day when he has no chance to get another job.
because they are trying to trade him first to offset some of the money. if they cant trade him by the 30th, he will be cut on the 31st
