I didn't like the pick. There is just too much bad tape on the guy, like Mayock said, and he is a bit small. And there were many great prospects left in the second round, so he wasn't really that great value. That being said, I love the kid's attitude. He seems to be all about playing football. Not about banging chicks and then playing football or finding Jesus and then playing football; all Geno seems to care about is playing football. That attitude and his athleticism can take him far.
You may be baffled that Geno's being compared to Luck, but Geno's numbers/overall statistics were even stronger when compared to Luck's coming out of college. The only true difference would be the media hype in which surrounded Andrew Luck as the greatest prospect since John Elway. Talking Jaws. You may have been baffled with the comparison of Luck but then again, I myself personally was also mind boggled how you flat out lied while stating "conference of play skewed Geno's numbers" when comparing his production to the college production of Andrew Luck. There's no question about it when speaking defensive opposition that Geno Smith went up against much stronger defensive competition when in comparison to Andrew Luck, which makes Geno's production and/or statistics that much more impressive when compared to Andrew Luck's. The defensive ratings in regards to strength of defensive opponent doesn't lie. Geno went up against an average defensive ranking of 67.3 while Luck faced an averaged defensive rating of 88.3. So when you slight Geno Smith's production when compared to Luck's college production it's only proof that you've fallen for ESPN's media hype. As soon as you stated Geno wasn't on the same level as Luck followed by then stating conference of play skewed Gano's numbers... I knew you were off basis here. It's no secret which quarterback went up aging tougher defenses while facing much stiffer defensive competition. And it wasn't Andrew Luck to say the least. Which makes Geno's quarterbacking statistics/production even stronger than Luck's coming out. Geno:369/518 (71.2%), 4,205 yards (8.2 yards per attempt), 42 TD's/6 INT's, 22 sacks, QB Rating of 163.9. Final two seasons: 73 TD's/13 INT's (TD to INT ratio of 5.61). 1,044 pass attempts/13 INT's (1 INT per every 86.3 throws) Luck:288/404 (71.3%), 3,517 yards (8.7 yards per attempt), 37 TD's/10 INT's, 12 sacks, QB Rating of 169.7. Final two seasons: 69 TD's/18 INT's (TD to INT ratio of 3.83). 776 pass attempts/18 INT's (1 INT per every 43.1 throws). You were wrong about quarterbacking in regards to level of competition and you're also wrong about Geno playing within a "one read offense". Just watch the interview of Geno Smith alongside Jon Gruden as they break down tape together. Jon Gruden made it known that everything Geno Smith was asked to do while at West Virginia was extremely difficult. Gruden made it known Geno's played within a very complex offensive system. And just so you're aware Andrew Luck didn't quite take the league by storm during his rookie season of last year. A successful one, very much so. An amazing one and/or lived up to his college media hype? No, not a chance. 23 TD's/18 INT's, 10 fumbles, completion percentage of only 54.1% along with a QB rating of 76.5 was nothing to write home about. I only used Geno's college production to the likes of Luck as a measuring stick. In other words lots of rookies will have much stronger seasons when compared to Luck's rookie campaign of last season and I believe Geno Smith is one of those rookies in which will do so this up coming season. Robert Griffin III along with Russell Wilson both had much greater rookie seasons both statistically speaking along with production wise when compared to an ESPN media hype in Andrew Luck. Second year quarterbacks such as Cam Newton and Andy Dalton also had much stronger rookie seasons the year before when compared to Andrew Luck.
He was Mayock's top rated QB, and only QB he gave a 1st round grade to (24 rated on his big board). So Mayock obviously saw good things there. NFL Network just exploded with negative energy only once the Jets picked him. We needed a QB. We got the highest rated one, who had a first round grade according to almost every scouting website (and Mayock), and we got him at 39. Seems like great value to me. At 6' 2.5", 218lbs, i wouldn't consider him small either. Height is at least avg, and he can fill out more into his frame (hopefully without losing that sub 4.6 speed).
Really, is that why that dip shit picked him 21st overall? Why do I feel that if that was most any other team it would have been the steal of the draft?
Mayock showed the negative stuff BEFORE he was drafted. He had him going in the first round to the Browns and didn't say it was a bad pick. He's a player evaluator and a damn good one. These guys always point out the negatives as well as the positives. Here is his opinion, and his full assessment. "Geno Smith does an awful lot of good things. There are components of a franchise quarterback, I just don't see it enough. When I look at him, to be brutally honest, I think he fell to about where he should have gone based on what his tape tells me. To me, I don't think you can hand him the keys." -- Mike Mayock OverviewSmith didn't earn his third straight All-Big East accolade in 2012 because of the Mountaineers' departure for the Big 12. But he remained one of the top signal-callers in his new conference, even over other prolific signal-callers in the pass-happy league. West Virginia's spread attack might look a bit different than those run by Oklahoma, Texas Tech and Missouri -- but with Smith at the helm, it was equally dangerous. There's no question that the cousin of former Miami (Fla.) running back Melvin Bratton (whose knee injury in the 1988 Orange Bowl kept him from having a substantial pro career) is a true competitor with the natural passing and athletic ability to play in the NFL. Scouts also appreciate his improved strength and accuracy, which have helped him become one of the top quarterbacks in this year's draft class. He did not redshirt in 2009, playing in five games and playing significant minutes in just one (15-21, 147 yards, TD in October home win over Marshall). Despite being limited in the spring by a broken foot suffered in January workouts, Smith started all 13 games as a sophomore. He garnered second-team All-Big East honors and led the conference in pass efficiency by completing 64.8 percent of his passes for 2,763 yards and 24 scores. Smith greatly increased his production in his second year as a full-time in 2011, passing for 4,385 yards as the Mountaineers tied Cincinnati and Louisville for the Big East title. They earned the league's automatic BCS bid by finishing the highest in the final BCS rankings, and Smith ensured a successful end to the season with a 407-yard, six-touchdown passing effort in the 70-33 thrashing of Clemson in the Orange Bowl. It was his fourth 400-yard game of the year, breaking the barrier against both fellow Big East co-champions and LSU. Finally in 2012, Smith completed 369-of-519 attempts for 4,205 yards, 42 touchdowns and six interceptions. He added 151 rushing yards and two touchdowns on the ground. Analysis Competitive, confident player who can lead a team with his physical attributes and willingness to work on his craft. Possesses a quick delivery, can get the ball downfield or move a team methodically by making quick decisions. Has improved his accuracy greatly during his career, placing the ball very well at every level of the field. Fires throws into tight windows over the middle while also leading receivers open on the sideline and showing touch on fades into the end zone. Generally keeps his eyes downfield and feet moving within the pocket to find a target instead of looking to run. Finds second or third options across the field if first read is covered. Tests defenses with his ability to get first downs and more with his feet, has speed to break off big runs and usually makes the right decision on when to take off. Has gotten physically stronger over the course of his career, is a tough player who will hang onto the ball after a big hit and bounce back up. Weaknesses Runs a spread offense almost exclusively from the shotgun, needs work on his footwork coming from under center. Ball will float or sail if his feet are not set or he fails to transfer weight, either in the pocket when facing pressure or when throwing on the run. Blitz awareness is only adequate, will miss guys coming free to his left and right. Will back up from pressure at times instead of unloading the ball or stepping up to make the throw. Seemingly regressed each week, especially when locking on to one side of the field. Did not participate in the Senior Bowl. NFL ComparisonAaron Brooks Bottom Line Though Smith has had his ups and downs as a passer in West Virginia's prolific spread offense, NFL general managers appreciate his ultra-competitive nature, athleticism, arm strength and quick delivery. The Mountaineer turned down a Senior Bowl invitation after regressing in the second half of the season following a strong start. Smith's eye level and pocket movement can be great, but he reverted back to staring down his first read. During his sophomore season, Smith played in an offense where he frequently took snaps from center, so he might have a leg up compared to some other prospects in that regard.
Cant be mad at getting the best QB in the draft in the second rd... WITHOUT TRADING UP. Even if he isnt our franchise QB, for a second rounder its worth the risk to find out!
So many people in here are starving for something to cry about. Do you really want to sit through another season of Mark Sanchez, or David Garrard? Isn't it more fun to have a young QB with significant potential to look forward to? Even if he's the worst QB we've ever seen, at least it'll put us in a position to draft another QB next year in a better class. If he plays well, this could be a critical developmental year.
I would love to argue this over and over but I can't take you seriously if you are putting Geno and Luck in the same class that's asinine. Stats again don't tell you the entire story. It's great you are using stats to prove your worth here, but I'm not buying a QB that ran a predominantly shotgun system to one who ran a pro offense with lesser weapons on the outside. Geno has flaws in his game. Luck has none what so ever.
If we're talking strictly college, what made Luck's production so much better that they can't be compared?
LOL, why didn't you follow Abraham when he left? Or didn't you remember the times he jacked it with 'injuries' when the Jets desperately needed him in the playoffs?
Spoken like a true impatient Jets fan, lol. Critical developmental year? So if he flops, lets draft yet another QB and we'll have another QB controversy. If it's so critical as you state, the Jets should just let him hold the clipboard and not make the same mistake they made with Mark by rushing him in and then doing the kid glove treatment. That really hurt his development, imo.
I was referring to them as pro prospects. Geno Smith had a great run in WVU running different offenses. You can be the most productive player in college football at the QB position, but it doesn't translate to the next level, a portion of it does.
