lets review some past drafts

What a revelation!! This is why there is a new GM. Tell us something new.

 

yeah idzick really did horribly in those 2 drafts.

 

2009 while underwhelming was not that bad. Greene and Slauson were solid.

 

They were both JAGs and Greene was a JAG we traded up for.

You give a back 250 carries in the NFL these days he gets 1,000 yards. Any back you choose to give 250 carries should do that.

This is not the NFL circa 1972 where teams regularly gave backs 250 carries and hoped they'd get 1,000 yards. This is the norm now.

Greene would have gotten 1,200 yards if we gave him 300 carries. He'd have gotten 800 if we gave him 200. The only thing that makes Greene look good is that we gave him 250 carries each of the last two years. The only reason he got 250 carries is that we had nobody better.

The Redskins gave a 6th round pick last year 335 carries and he went for 1.613 yards and 13 TD's. That's what a good back looks like.

 

That doesn't mean that while they were here they weren't decent. We got 2 1000 yard rushing seasons out of Greene and Slauson was serviceable at the guard position.

 

slauson was a 6th round pick who started, became a f.a. and was signed by another team to start. i would not call that a bad pick. bad circumstances that we couldn't keep him but i hope all our 6th round picks end up as good as him

 

That's not really fair. Regardless of how you feel a 1000 yards is still a 1000 yards. Keep in mind that he accomplished this with the worst starting QB handing him the ball and with the box constantly stacked. I'm not saying he was Jim Brown but he did play well under the circumstances. I don't believe that he is a every down back either and he's now on a team that has a true number 1 back so that's less pressure taken off him.

 

Honestly, Greene did less with what he had than any guy handed the carries would have done.

Remember how good Powell looked for short bursts last year when he was spelling Greene? That's not because Powell was actually good. It was because he was being compared to Greene in the Jets flat offense. He stood out a bit because he didn't look exactly like he fit in that mess. Greene fit in that mess.

 

I think fans are harsher on players on their own team than outsiders. If anything he overachieved considering that he was asked to play a role (every down back) that he wasn't capable of playing. He was a 3rd down/goal line back that was asked to be the bell cow of the offense. Despite that he still played well under the circumstances.

 

I want to point out that ALL of those picks, save one, are offensive guys. Last year was a wash...completely (Sparano)! Just an opinion.

As a defensive guy myself I certainly do not put myself in too much of a place to condemn how the offense was handled but I look to a couple of people I respect, in the league, who said that Sparano was the worst decision the Jets have made in a long time. And, as reported, THAT was Tannenbaum's call. It manifested on the field in stark, disgusting, reality.

A draft is usually a 50/50 prospect anyway. The teams who can swing that percentage to around 60/40 etc...are the ones who perennially are decent. The Steelers are really the only example of this. They are the only team, since the 70's, that have consistently fielded a competitive team. Every other team has had moribund meltdowns over that course. Build through the draft is a term that has ONLY come into play in the Salary Cap era soooo...take that for what it's worth.

 

Stephen Ross had some really nice <sarcasm> things to say about Sparano. Essentially he set the Phins back years.

I think the sad thing is if you look at the Jets drafts from 2008 on we have had some absolutely awful drafts. You exclude the traded picks and the OP didn't even include the Gholston pick. That year may have been even worse than these two. Ultimately the legacy Tannenbaum left on this franchise is missing on the #6 pick and #5 pick in back to back years and than giving that missed #5 pick an extension that was not warranted.

 

This is because the salary cap and true free agency are linked. Prior to the salary cap era the only way to build a team was through the draft or cast-off veterans in free agency.

 

Besides Sanchez 2009 was very solid. A starting player in the 6th round is pretty good. Greene was pretty solid for a 3rd round pick. We got 4 years out of both and next year we will get compensatory draft picks back for both. The Scouting department was against taking Sanchez so I don't think one can blame them on that.

 

I hate that people keep saying this. Rex needs corners for his scheme. We had Revis, drafted KW, and went out to sign Cro. He wants KW to be the third corner and play in the slot.

Also Cro is getting up there in age and is less likely to be resigned than KW.

 

With drafts like that, its no wonder Tanny now negotiates contracts for broadcasters.

 

We got two years out of Sanchez and Greene. The last two years Greene was a null overall effect, taking the investment the Jets made in him and doing about what any other back would have done.

Sanchez probably cost the Jets 3 or 4 wins overall the last two seasons.

It's hard to actually lose games for your team in any professional sport because the nature of team sports is that the individual impact that most players have on games is fairly limited.

That's not true at QB in the NFL. QB's handle the ball enough and are responsible enough for overall offensive efficiency that they have a measurable impact on a team's fortunes over the course of a bunch of games.

Statistically speaking it is obvious that Sanchez cost the Jets games every season that he played for them but it is particularly glaring in 2009 and 2012. 2010 and 2011 he only cost them a few games overall.

In 2009 he cost them at least 3 games, Saints, Bills #1, Falcons. Those are all games where if the Jets had gotten just a decent performance out of the QB they'd have won the game.

In 2010 he cost them the opener vs the Ravens, when Joe Flacco was trying to throw the game away and couldn't because Sanchez couldn't do anything right that day. The game at home against the Packers when the Jets defense again shut down the opposing team and Sanchez had nothing to offer. The Fins #2 when Sanchez couldn't lead the Jets to the single TD that would have won the game.

In 2011 he was bad when the line went out early and that was understandable but then he was bad late when the Jets had a clear path to the playoffs and Sanchez kept throwing interceptions to defensive linemen.

Last year he was just a walking disaster area for much of the season until at the end he was just throwing the ball up for grabs at the end.

Mark Sanchez probably cost the Jets 8 wins over the 4 years that he started for them. That's a huge number of games and it's the primary reason that the Jets only managed to win 9 games with the #1 defense in the NFL, 11 games with the #3 defense in the NFL, 8 games with the #5 defense in the NFL and 6 games last year with the #8 defense in the NFL.

You give Rex Ryan an average starting QB over the last 4 years and he probably has 46 wins over that span instead of the 38 he actually got.

This is why I'm really hoping the Jets cut ties with Sanchez. I think Sanchez is an enormous blindspot for Rex and if we're not careful he's going to cost us a very good defensive head coach before he goes.