junc has also answered the question about him being ranked in the bottom 1/4th of all qbs year after year. the quote is in my signature... absofuckinglutely amazing!!!! 27th ranked but top 10 best
NFC teams with losing records in 1997: Philadelphia Eagles 6- 9-1 Dallas Cowboys 6 -10 Arizona Cardinals 4-12 Chicago Bears 4-12 Carolina Panthers 7-9 Atlanta Falcons 7-9 New Orleans Saints 6-10 St. Louis Rams 5 -11 Only 2 teams with a minimum of 4 wins, and 6 with more than 5 wins. NFC teams with losing records in 2009: St. Louis Rams 1-15 Detroit Lions 2 -14 Tampa Bay Buccaneers 3-13 Washington Redskins 4-12 Seattle Seahawks 5-11 Chicago Bears 7- 9 4 teams with less than 4 wins and only 2 team with 5 or more wins. You also had the Giants, Panthers and 49ers all at 8-8 in 2009. It is pretty clear which is worse.
hey Junc, here is a stat to prove Mark was a joke. Did you ever notice how he was nevwer hurt enough to be out of a game or miss the next one? Why is this relevant? Because why would the opposing team try to hurt their best chance at beating us. Mark never had a major injury because he was the key for the other team to beat us. reMARKable, isn't it.
Exactly. No help. 3 different coordinators in the last 3 years. A countless carousel of WR's. A true mess.
After this draft I'm already prepared for another year suckchez. Silly me for thinking the hiring of Idzik would spark a change.
Can we abandon the dropped passes argument and just talk about how he looks like an autistic child with a runny nose?
I only count 2 OC's ... Schotty and Sparano. Am I missing one? And the only reason we hired Sparano was because Sanchez shit the bed so badly, that we panicked into installing an offense based on running the ball as much as possible, and running gimmicky bullshit while the rest of the NFL was passing the ball down the field. It's strange how Sam Bradford managed to set numerous career highs in 2012 with Schotty as his new OC. Sanchez never had a chance? That's nonsense. He was given an A+ running game, A+ defense and A+ special teams to support him while he learned the league ... oh yeah, and a former SB MVP at WR. Once the crutches were taken away, he completely collapsed. It's one thing not to be able to sprint ... but could the guy at least support his own weight?? Sanchez is just a terrible QB who's going to have to be carried wherever he goes for his entire career. You don't build a team around him ... you build a team to hide him.
I'm a pretty big Sanchez detractor. That being said, 3 OCs in three years with a revolving door of shit at the WR position and a terrible OL last year is a tough situation for any kid. That being said, Steve Young said it best. You can't accelerate the fall.
Sanchez has no excuses in 2013 after we once again used our top draft picks to surround him with premiere offensive talent. Oh wait......
I didn't blindly say "he had so and so dropped INTs", I gave 2 examples of them. Many of Sanchez's dropped INts were guys diving or just getting a hand on a ball a few years ago. This was a case of TWO times where Eli threw the ball up for grabs(something he does a lot but works out b/c of his elite WRs) and each time it was into double coverage where the pass was so bad the 2 SF DBs collided each time to knock the ball away from each other. We missed a FG, right? would that FG have put us up 20-13? we were up 17-6, did our supposed great D need to allow Indy to go 80 yds in a minute at the end of the half? NYG scored twice in the 2nd half/OT- BOTH times were fumbled PRs that set them up deep in SF territory. Where were the TOs that set us up deep in Indy or Pitt territory? In GB the Giants D picked off that choker Favre in OT and set them up for the GW FG. Eli has 2 GW drives in conf title games in OT- the first began at GB 34, the second began at SF 24. sometimes they can but when are these #s being accumulated? It means nothing to me if a QB is down 20 pts and throwing TDs late or up 20 pts and throwing TDs. #s tell part of the story, the biggest mistake most fans make is they blindly look at #s and nothing else. and yet you can't name 10-12 better QBs in that 2010 season. yeah, the year w/ MORE losing teams and where the AFC had a much WORSE record against the NFC. like most stats it is nonsense to just throw a # out as many of those "dropped INTs" for Mark were defenders diving or DL getting hands on a ball. I gave SPECIFIC examples. TWICE he threw balls up for grabs where EACH TIME SF defenders collided to knock ball away. Both were in great position to catch the ball if they didn't collide- that's how bad the passes were but Eli's just the greatest! he can even force TOs to win champ games!
You should read up on dropped INTs. The stat was used when the ball hit a secondary player in both his hands or the chest. So stop making stuff up like it was if a DL tipped a ball in the air. http://espn.go.com/blog/afceast/post/_/id/26901/sheer-luck-buoyed-mark-sanchezs-stats Football Outsiders' criteria to determine a drop: "We don't mean a defender sort of near the play, or guys who dive and see interceptions go off their fingertips. We mean guys who dropped balls that hit them right in the hands or chest." Yeah sorry but Eli doesn't haven't elite WRs. Unless you use the term elite to talk about above average. Elite to me means cream of the crop, clearly better than the rest, that's Fitz, Andre, and Calvin. Marshall is on the cusp. Hey junc that whole "I don't post stats without context thing" you like to hang on. You want to mention how long our FG was in IND compared to the ones in GB? Or am I using a fantasy stat by doing that. Our FG was 52 yards, the ones they had in GB were 45 ish and 35 ish. Junc, they converted into points. We had an offense that had 1st and goal at the 1 yard one line down 14 and went backwards and scored 0 points. Getting the ball in short field doesn't guarantee points. Or how about to just extend it back, in NE we get an INT returned to the 20 yard line and the offense gets 0 points again. Their offense scored when they had chances. You are going to negate them for that? Really you mention the Favre INT but leave out that the Giants had the 36 yarder with the clock running out in the 4th quarter that they missed to win the game. Stats without context. If that was the Jets you would bemoaning the fact that the FG kicker missed such an easy FG and let Sanchez down. Hey Sanchez was down 24-3 in Pitt. Guess those TDs don't count because it's garbage time :breakdance: How do you people aren't using the stats backing up what they saw from the past 4 years from Sanchez? You are just making stuff up that people only use numbers. Junc, Sanchez's numbers match what everyone thinks of him. Overall, an average to below average QB in his career who is inconsistent and has trouble protecting the ball. He has been on downturn the last 1.5 years and has regressed back to making rookie mistakes. Even though that was fun, you never mentioned the fact that Giants offense never managed to get shut out or no show in a half in a championship game. That could be just enough to push the Jets over the top in either championship game, both which were close and could have been a Jets win if the Jets offense remembered games were 4 quarters. If you take the 1st half of the IND champ game and pair it with the second half of the Pitt game, beautiful. If you pair the second half of the IND champ game and pair it with the 1st of the Pitt game, terrible. By not defining fantasy stats and then using garbage time, you are just making everything subjective and letting non football things influence your determinations. THat's why stats are helpful, you can take away names and numbers and subjective things like garbage time and fantasty stats and see how QBs perform in a year without letting their name explain things. THen when two QBs are close, you can reveal the name and really dig down and see why they were close. Fantasy stats is just a term you use when you don't like stats people are using. Instead of saying that, it's much more constructive to say why they are fantasty stats to you, what's wrong with the stat, then point out examples why. That's much more constructive than dismissing them with the term fantasty stats because you don't like them.
Nah he was developing fine the first two years. The whole hide him until we need him, don't let him get into a shootout strategy worked for him. It went downhill more so in 2011 when we tried to rush his development. Then for some reason he couldn't mentally recharge himself from 2011-2012 and kept on nosediving. Hopefully something kicks in for him this offseason, but he's been on a 1.5 year slide and the talent he had in 2010 is not walking through that door
Yea he was ok when the offense still had talent. This was my reaction to the last 5 1st round picks being cb dl dl cb dl. Hopefully we don't take a 46 safety with our first pick today.
I am going off of what they said about Sanchez in 2010, I saw every pass he attempted. he did not have an extraordinary amount of dropped INts but that was the stat being floated around. I HATE the dropped INT stat b/c every QB has TDs dropped and INts dropped BUT these was an example of TWICE throwing a ball up for grabs that weren't picked b/c they passes were so bad 2 DBs collided each time. Cruz and Nicks might be the best duo in the game and if they aren't they are certainly in the top 3. They carried the Giants offense in 2011. 52 yds in a dome, not a chip shot but certainly makeable, right? You are the one who brought up they didn't score when they led 17-13, they could have if we made the kick. We also missed a chip shot earlier in the game but I'm sure that was Mark's fault too, right? In Pitt after missing out at the 1 we got the ball right back and scored to pull w/in 5 w/ plenty of time to play. Our D failed again, the NYG D didn't fail. It was mark's fault our K missed a chip shot FG in NE after the Harris INT? you do realize on 1st down we ran it and lost 3, right? that's on the QB? Eli got the ball at the NYG 48 w/ over 2 mins left, it was a really cold day and his K had already missed kicks. Maybe he should have gotten him closer? The bottom line is NYG's D and STs won both title games. 24-3 late in the 4th is garbage time but not when you get w/in 5 pts w/ so much time remaining we don't even need to kick on OS kick and we had all of our TOs. Sanchez sucked last year, he sucked to end 2011 but overall he's been good for us. #s don't tell us that so people don't understand. Anyone who thinks he sucked in 2010 has no idea what they were watching. They go strictly off stats. The Giants O was never shut out in a half, they were shut out in an ENTIRE GAME w/ the great Eli Manning at HOME in the playoffs. Both teams relied on their Ds to win, the Giants D also never allowed the Giants to fall behind 17 pts. The NYG let up 10 pts in a qtr ONCE, never more than 7 in any other qtr. we allowed qtrs. of 13, 10 and 10 in our 2 title games. By the way, in regulation both offenses scored pts in 5 of the 8 qtrs. We got up double digits on Indy and our "great" D folded in Pitt the D allowed the Steelers to dictate that game, they set the tone w/ that long TD drive to start the game and they dominated us in the 1st half. Defense made the difference in both games. switch the QBs and the results would have been the same.
