Great move by tanny we have up nothing

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  1. TNJet

    TNJet Well-Known Member

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    Best Post of the Thread Award Nominee! Well said.:)
     
  2. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    no offense to that poster but that post would sooner win worst post of all time than best. There is nothing comparable about Gholston's situation and Mark Sanchez's.
     
  3. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    At first they were surrounding him w/ more talent each year, following Bal's model w/ Flacco but where Flacco's talent kept getting better and better to the point of incredible this past year Sanchez's talent got worse and worse. if we were healthy last year we had enough talent for him to succeed but we were really never healthy on O.
     
  4. xxedge72x

    xxedge72x 2018 Gang Green QB Guru Award Winner

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    Being healthy would've helped but I'm not a believer in Santonio Holmes, mostly due to his arrogance and the Miami incident week 17 two seasons ago.

    Guys like that are poison for young players, especially QBs. The Jets need WRs that Sanchez can trust implicitly and despite the PR rah-rah that has come out since about Holmes I'm not convinced he's truly the answer. I'd be quite happy drafting two WRs in this draft and moving on from Holmes after this season.

    Keller was beneficial to Sanchez so losing him hurts a bit, but at the same time he's not an elite player. He should be the #4 option in a receiving group, not the #1 or 2 as he was here last year (before the season started).
     
  5. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    I still like Holmes.

    Kerley is good

    I like Hill's potential

    I hope to bring back Braylon but assuming we go WR he won't be back, if we go Eifert instead of Austin at 13 then I think Braylon could be back.
     
  6. BookEndTackles 72&79

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    This is BS. Having the talent around him has nothing to do with it. How hard is it to stop turning the ball over, secure the ball and have the smarts to be aware of the situation and evaluate risk/reward. They guy simply embarrassed himself the last two years.

    Having talent around him has NOTHING whatsover to do with what he can control. There are numerous issues he

    1. He panics under pressure. See the butt fumble. Had no clue what he was doing.
    2. Has poor accuracy even when throwing to open receivers. See any game.
    3. Lack of being able to see where the pass rush is coming from and able to buy extra time in the pocket. See any game.
    4. Lack of situational awareness. Calling a timeout with 20 seconds on the play clock in a situation where they needed to run the clock down at the end of a half vs. the Patriots
    5. Makes poor decisions. Throwing into double-triple coverage. Prime example is the Tenn game. On 1st down no less. Again lack of situational awareness.
    6. Fumbling the ball when hit by a rusher. Numerous examples vs. Seattle, vs. NE in OT last year.
    7. Staring down recievers. See any game. How about the Miami game where not one but TWO interceptions were thrown to D linemen.

    None of these have ANYTHING to do with the talent around him. He just hasn't improved and he probably never will and I don't want to give him the chance to as he has already had his shot here.
     
  7. xxedge72x

    xxedge72x 2018 Gang Green QB Guru Award Winner

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    Sanchez had one of the 10 best games of the entire NFL season week 1 vs the Bills. Everyone started getting hurt and everything started falling apart.

    On your points:
    1) Panic - comes from never having anyone to throw to and constantly being under pressure from the pass rush. He clearly is not comfortable in the pocket and his receivers are definitely involved with that aspect.
    2) His accuracy has definitely been shoddy. I associate that with the panic since we've seen him make some beautiful throws, particularly in the 2010 season when things were going well.
    3) I find him to actually be quite elusive in the pocket and has frequently made plays to avoid the pass rush. This is a non issue for Sanchez.
    4) Situational awareness goes back to the panic point.
    5) Poor decisions: panic.
    6) Fumbling - the most correctable and inexcusable of the Sanchez sins.
    7) Staring down the receivers - no one is open.

    His problems are absolutely mental but I believe it does involve the players that are around him. If he was able to trust his receivers he would be able to be much more loose in his play. As it stands he's got all the pressure in the world to not make mistakes and make plays... which too frequently requires him to leap over a mountain to do. Even when he does make plays, the receivers drop it frequently adding to the frustration.

    He certainly may be beyond the point of no return but his problems are not solely his.
     
  8. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    It was either take a sack or take a chance, he took chances. I think we need to take 2012 and throw it away, most of those issues you describe came about b/c he had no one to throw to and no run game to take the pressure off.
     
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    QB production has nothing to do with the talent around him? :lol: You really think Sanchez still plays that bad if Holmes and Keller started all last year? I'm not trying to defend Sanchez or say he's great or anything, but that's a bit exaggerated. When Sanchez had the talent around him, we went 11-5. You really think the 2012 team was just as talented as the 2010 team? Of course talent around him matters.

    This is like listening to ESPN radio with some of you. They were trying to say today that Larry Fitzgerald is a superstar and that no matter who throws to him, he is productive. Then of course when you actually look at the stats, you realize how stupid that statement is. Last season he wasn't productive at all, but I agree that it wasn't his fault. You have to have a talented QB to throw to the guy, just like you need a talented WR to throw the ball to. They each compliment each other. It's not like the offense has 1 player and all else is irrelevant. I mean how many sack fumbles were offensive line issues? How many times were WRs not getting open? How often were we running up the middle to gain only 2 yards? All these factors take a toll on QB production, whether you'd like to admit it or not.

    I admit that Sanchez has played poorly in recent history, but that doesn't mean he wouldn't improve if we surrounded him with more talented play makers, and gave him a system that he has had success in the past with. How many play makers at skilled positions did we have on offense last year? 1? The only ones I can think of are Holmes and Keller and both were injured for a large portion of the season. Kerley is getting there. None of our running backs made big plays except the occasional McKnight long run.

    People need to realize that Holmes getting injured was a huge part of Sanchez' struggles. He was playing with green receivers all year, the longest chemistry any had before last season was 1 year. ONE YEAR. That's terrible.
     
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    Of course Ghost didn't do much.

    He didn't throw stupid INTs. And oh yeah, he didn't commit that Ass-Fumble (TM). That is a play of the ages. I get that.

    To compare them is silly? Are you kidding me? Imagine - if Jets had healthy Kris Jenkins x2 at the DL, with superb LB corp followed by stellar back four (Revis + Cro + Ed Reed + Polamalu) do you honestly think Gholston could fail to register a sack? (Yes. That's the situation Sanchez was in, during his first two years.)
     
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    Alleycat " we are not worthy "
    you had it pegged from day 1 :beer:
     
  12. Don

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    We have a little over 4 mil left in cap space..I doubt Edwards comes back.
     
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    Sorry bro but
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  14. Kris 15

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    There had to be a catch.
     
  15. PennyRoyal10

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    Yeah man, I saw that too. Dude was so on with that post I had to check the posting date.

    Any chance 'Alleycat' is one of those 2 dooshes that were shaking their heads at the Sanchez pick on draft day?
     
  16. rockyusmc2003

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    Prophets. Note one brother has a 15 on. Spooky.
     
  17. jilozzo

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    Oh man ever time I watch that it gets better and better.
     
  18. rockyusmc2003

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    Another Tebow connection. 8+3+4=15 :eek:
     
  19. Jonky

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    Wow Sanchez has his flaws, but anyone that blames him for the butt fumble either has an agenda or doesn't bother watching the games. Some people just aren't happy unless their whining and making others as miserable as they are. Usual these same sad sacks need to post under multiple names so they appear to have people that agree with their pathetic rants.
     
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    Broken play, turns, quick pause, DE and LB both head inside, and so does Sanchez. Sure looks like his fault to me.

    There are other QBs in the league that turn that play into a positive gain. Unfortunately, he isn't one of them.
     

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