NY Post: With Revis hell over, Ryan now in purgatory with Jets

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  1. Br4d

    Br4d 2018 Weeb Ewbank Award

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    The obvious point here is that the Jets lost the best CB in football and teams just ran right down their throats anyway.

    Losing Revis isn't why the Jets were 26th against the run. It's why they weren't 32nd.
     
  2. NotSatoshiNakamoto

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    Is there a team that didn't play some of the worst QB's in the league last year?
     
  3. Frenbar

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    I have no doubt that Rex will pull together a very decent defense and has a very good chance to take the Jets to a winning record. I'm looking for Wilkerson to have a monster year and Coples to make huge strides. If Rex can show the backbone to cut Sanchez the Jets win at least 9 games and Rex returns. If he starts Sanchez the Jets with 5 games or less and he is gone.
     
  4. jdon

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    that is funny. I used to cringe when Chad got hit, too.
     
  5. egelband

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    i like rex a lot. fuck all this purgatory b-s. i really hope he and idzik can sort this shit out.
     
  6. BacktoQueens

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    Revis role in Rex schemes had more effect on the run game then your standard CB/defensive scheme.

    The 46 look is extremely effective at stopping the run, but it also leaves you very vulnerable to the big play. You better have a guy capable of bump and run coverage against top talent, or you don't dial up that D as much.

    Run blitzes and cheating the SS up are other examples. Hard to do if you feel stopping the run will potentially leave you vulnerable elsewhere.

    Revis with Rex was actually the perfect fit to maximize both his impact on a game, and the impact of Rex calls on D.
     
  7. dmw

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    The offense is not in Rex's hands any more. He now has a strong, experienced offensive coordinator with a record of success. It's more likely he'll be judged on the performance of the defense and possibly special teams.
     
  8. Mr Krinkle

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    Bradway, are you insinuating that Stephen Hill will not be a good player in this league? How can you claim that he's only a good athlete when he was only a rookie last year with a shitty QB?
     
  9. Br4d

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    If Hill is good it's going to be because he works very hard and he has some great athletic tools. He's not a natural receiver at all. Watching him last year was painful at times.

    This is an important year for him. His stakeholders are leaving and the new administration is going to want to see evidence of him rounding into a good player. Potential doesn't carry you very far when the guys who bought into the potential are no longer in the building.
     
  10. LeonNYJ

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    Well, if Rex is in purgatory right now, that means that once he's cleansed he'll be in heaven.
     
  11. Mr Krinkle

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    the guy has Megatron-like measurables. even if he doesn't have the route-running of Marvin Harrison or hands of Chris Carter, he will still end up being a very good receiver based on athleticism alone.
     
  12. Br4d

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    We're in the wrong thread on this. We should find a Hill thread to continue the conversation.
     
  13. 94Abraham

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    Right, because Vernon Ghoulston was also too a great player based off of his athleticism....
     
  14. Big Blocker

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    First of all, a general comment.

    Off season is here and the homeristic impulses are running wild, I guess.

    First of all, who doesn't understand here, apparently a few, that the fact that Revis was able to cover the opponent's number 1 receiver by himself freed up another defender to be used elsewhere, such as on run D?

    Perhaps we should have a show of hands?

    And are people not aware that the number of rushing attempts since 2010 against the Jet D went up to nearly one hudred times greater, while the number of pass attempts was largely the same, is a fact?

    Why should teams last year pass on the Jets when their run D was as bad as it was? Why pass on a team that is down on the scoreboard with an O that could not score?

    Anyone who is insane enough to think it was merely about plugging in Kyle Wilson to play #2 while Cro moved over to #1 does not understand the game of football.

    As for your comment, I watched the Jets last season, every game. The Jets played a number of really bad Qb's. Like the Az game, wasn't that the only time that guy played? He was the worst NFL Qb I have seen in a long, long time. You dispute the Jets played some very bad Qb's? Who were the tough ones, other than Brady? It was not a big number.

    BacktoQueens gets it on how Revis provided flexibility, and of course the fact that the Jets lost ten of the fourteen games Revis was out is another fact.

    In short, the Jet run D may well be better next year, but if it is, expect the pass D to get attacked more often. And with much greater effect than if Revis were still on the team.
     
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    Usually I'm telling the room "MOTHER FUCKER! And then after the reply: WHY THE FUCK DID HE DO/THROW THAT!"

    I can totally relate to the "Fear and Trembling quotient" and I think I expressed similar sentiment about Sanchez in another post..something along the lines of "I just want a Quarterback who doesn't scare me when he has the ball".

    Chad was probably my all time favorite Jets QB (I go back to Ken O'Brien). I never was afraid when he had the ball (other than Bradway's point about him getting hit/hurt) and he was always playing smart.
     
  16. NotSatoshiNakamoto

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    I have never disputed that the Jets played some bad QB's last year. My question for you is are their NFL teams that did not? Because the Jets defensive passing efficiency metrics were very good relative to other NFL teams. Obviously this means that as a whole, when teams attempted to pass against the Jets last year they were relatively unsuccessful.

    If you have some proof that the Jets faced more weak passing attacks then the rest of the league I'd like to see it. No one has been able to provide this yet so I'm going on the assumption that it is not the case until someone does.
     
  17. Gotham Green

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    Same idea, but I use a slightly different scale. I used to throw things at the TV (nothing that would hurt it), until I got married. My wife has a collection of stuffed "Giant Microbes". So, she suggested that I throw those (they wouldn't hurt her TV). Now, I start with Common Cold, go up one to Mononucleosis, then up to Gonnorhea, Syphilis, and finally Plague.
     
  18. Banjo

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    I always thought Rex is a good motivator. Despite a lack of talent, he still pushes our guys to eight wins. If he actually had a pro bowl QB, the sky could be the limit. Sanchez is the real problem... not Rex

    Rex's dedication to Sanchez is another story
     
  19. Big Blocker

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    Well I am going on the assumption it is the case until you or someone proves otherwise.

    You also ignore the other factors I mentioned.

    But let me ask you this - do you realy believe a pass D with Kyle Wilson replacing Revis as a starting Cb is just as good?
     
  20. NotSatoshiNakamoto

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    Of course not. We also had better safties last year.

    Your assumption sems folish considering all teams play bad qb's.
     

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