Draft 2013: Choose 2

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Who would you like to see the Jets draft with their two first round picks?

  1. Barkevious Mingo, OLB, LSU

    14.7%
  2. Chance Warmack, OG, Alabama

    33.9%
  3. Geno Smith, QB, West Virginia

    7.3%
  4. Jarvis Jones, OLB, Alabama

    45.9%
  5. Jonathan Cooper, OG, UNC

    18.3%
  6. Kenny Vacarro, S, Texas

    13.8%
  7. Star Lotuleiei, DT, Utah

    23.9%
  8. Tavon Austin, WR, West Virginia

    38.5%
  9. Xavier Rhodes, CB, FSU

    0.9%
  10. Other (Who?)

    5.5%
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  1. SettlerDawg

    SettlerDawg Well-Known Member

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    So sad that the two worst players have the most amount of votes. I've mentioned numerous times how bad Jones is and if you need any verification, watch Jones against Alabama. He plays as a 3-4 OLB which gets him plenty of one-on-one match ups against tight ends, and the Alabama tight ends (none of whom are noteworthy) completely shut down Jones in pass blocking, and they demolish him on running plays. In fact, as the game went on, Bama decided to run right at Jones numerous times because he was getting owned. Not to mention Georgia put Jones all over the place and ran stunt plays for him as well, and he was still ineffective. Mingo is a far superior player who played 4-3 end and even D-end with 3 down linemen, which constantly placed him against tackles and guards. Watch Mingo's games against Clemson and Texas A&M. Mingo holds his ground very well and was a force against the pass. He may not have gotten many sacks, but he disrupted the progression of many passing plays. Now imagine Mingo playing as a 3-4 OLB with space and playing within Rex's defense. If an opposing lineman get's confused about a blitz even for a split-second, that's all the time Mingo needs to run right past him.

    Austin is another player I'd like to avoid at 9 and 13. He's a very good slot receiver. He can't play on the outside as he'll be handled by NFL-sized corners. He can't make the plays that a #1 or #2 WR can make (ie jump balls, having the length to give the QB a bigger margin for error on passes). Austin relied on speed to run past future garbage men in college. In the NFL, that won't translate. Reggie Bush or McCluster ring a bell? Out of the top WR's in the NFL, does anyone play like Austin does? No. Skip Austin. Draft a Hopkins, Hunter, Patterson, Allen, the guy from L-Tech, etc in round 2. These guys have the size to play in the NFL. I've heard many people complain that Stafford is overrated because he can throw the ball up to Calvin Johnson in triple coverage, and CJ will still come down with the ball. Remember how Braylon (before his injury) used to dominate the Pats' cornerbacks because of his size? Remember when Plaxico Burress came straight out of being in jail for a year and caught 8 touchdowns in one season because he could jump over corners? Same concept here. For your #1 and #2 WR's, you want to draft a WR that gives you a chance on every play, even if it's a hail mary. They offer a safety net for the QB. Kerley already does a great job as a slot WR. Getting Austin is redundant.
     
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  2. Jets4eva9011

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    Lol, Austin and Kerley are different players.

    Austin is basically Welker on steroids, and this offense needs a playmaker of his caliber. However, I can see why he has his detractors like yourself. He'll probably only top out as a slot receiver, and our QB situation hasn't yet been resolved. I still pick him because he's a hell of a talent IMO.

    Star at 9, and Austin at 13.
     
  3. SettlerDawg

    SettlerDawg Well-Known Member

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    Welker is good because of the offense New England runs where he can run option routes to get open underneath. His communication with Brady, and soon to be Manning, was very good. Welker would not be nearly as effective if he played with Sanchez or Garrard.
     
  4. Br4d

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    @SettlerDawg

    Jarvis Jones played one game at Alabama in his two seasons in the SEC. Nick Saban had an OT and TE on him a lot of the time. He still got two sacks in that game.

    What exactly is it that you expected him to do that would have made you consider him a good prospect?

    And BTW, Jones does play all over the front for Georgia but he was mostly at ROLB against Alabama. That the TE was on his side of the field was a compliment from Saban. It meant that a tackle alone was not going to get the job done.
     
  5. Jets4eva9011

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    The huge red flag on Jones is obviously his spinal injury. That will more than likely cause him to retire in 5-6 years or something like that, which is why I don't want him. His production would be good in that time, though.
     
  6. Br4d

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    Yeah the medical concern is the issue.

    Alabama, BTW, had 304 yards rushing against Georgia between the tackles. If you watch the video of the game you see Jones double-teamed on running plays over and over again and the Tide is still running away from him.

    Anybody who thinks Jones is not a top 10 pick on talent isn't watching very closely. The medical concerns have pushed him down some and rightly so but on talent he's one of the few plug and play guys in this draft.

    I'm thinking the Steelers are going to get him and move him inside. It's such a Steeler move.
     
  7. PuMa

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    I went Cooper/Austin
    Ps. I watched EJ In the senior bowl.... He looked like a bum
     
  8. Br4d

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    E.J. is one of those guys who has gotten sniped at a lot in college. This draft has a few of those including Landry Jones, Tyler Bray, Tyler Austin and even Matt Barkley last year.

    There don't seem to be any guys that you'd just call an unqualified good prospect. So the question is what are you looking for and what do you think you can add to the picture to cover up a guy's weaknesses?

    The mid-round guys seem to be the best all-around prospects in some ways. I don't know that you can do better than Zac Dysert in the 4th round in this draft. Of course that means he's not all that likely to get to the 4th round. It's a conundrum figuring out the QB's this year.
     
  9. JohnnyThaJet

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    Like a bum...?!?! I really really hope you're joking.
     
  10. PinPointPenning10

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    Appreciate nobody pointing out that I stupidly had a brain freeze and wrote Jones was from Alabama rather than Georgia. In retrospect, I probably should've included Eifert in this poll instead of Rhodes as well, but that's what the "other" option was there for.
     
  11. PuMa

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    I don't like him,he seems to make a habit out of throwing in coverage and isn't as accurate as said to be. Landry-Jones is another one like that just worse.
     
  12. PuMa

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    Zac Dysert is a decent prospect.. I'm just not crazy on a QB this year I been preaching to get weapons in 2013's draft for our next QB in 2014 if Teddy or whoever the next franchise QB is set up with YOUNG players who have skill and aren't leaving 3 years from now he will grow as a QB and have amazing chemistry. I don't trust a single QB this year.
     
  13. JetsNation06

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    Austin and Jarvis Jones. A guy who can score touchdowns and a guy who can rush the passer. Our two biggest areas of need and both immediate impact players. Would be a great first round.
     
  14. 101GangGreen101

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    Warmack and Jarvis Jones or Star. I want an offensive player and a defensive player. I like to think of these guys as glue guys who can make those around them better. Warmack allows Mangold and Brick to return to All Pro status and Wilkerson, Coples and Jones would be a deadly trio
     
  15. WW85

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    This poll is missing two key players, one falling and one rising:

    Milliner has a strong possibility of being available.

    Eifert is moving up the board and will probably be a top 15 pick at worst. I know Jet fans at RCMH would go ape shit, but Eifert is a real option.

    These are not necessarily my 2 picks, just something to consider.
     
  16. Austin and eifert.lets get better where it counts on offense
     
  17. WW85

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    Kurt...Eifert wouldn't be a popular selection, but what other way could you help Sanchez by giving him a huge playmaker in the offense?? Eifert makes playes and keeps the chains moving, great red zone threat. Eifert is much better than Ertz and I like Ertz a lot.
     
  18. deerow84

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    This poll is a good idea but it makes me both happy and sad. Seems like I'm among the majority as two of my picks (Warmack, Jones) are in the top 3. Sad because I didn't realize so many people are so high on Austin. I just don't see how a guy with that size is going to be effective in the NFL in the receiving role unless he's playing in the slot or catching out of the backfield, that's great and all and will help from time to time but we already have a slot receiver in Kerley and it seems like we're already improving our ability to catch out of the backfield. So where does he fit?

    Bonus happy: Only 8% of votes for Smith. Glad not too many people seem to think he's the answer at QB.
     
  19. NotSatoshiNakamoto

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    Add in a 5th for ivory and I like this a lot.
     
  20. 101GangGreen101

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    I don't want to start a Sanchez debate but it's not about him anymore. Eifert is legit I agree. I think we could grab Ertz in round 2 then if the Jets want another TE grab Fauria from UCLA with a 5th rounder. 2 giant monsters in the RZ and on 3rd down without using the 9 or 13.
     

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