Whats wrong with Geno Smith?

I have been onboard with taking geno @ 9 and tavon @ 13 or vice versa. I dont know why everyone is so down on the kid, the quickest way back into being a contender is having a good qb and geno could easily be that guy especially with the wco.

Austin makes our offense dangerous, something we have lacked for a very very long time. He has the best feet I have seen in college football in my entire life

 

I appreciate the soundbites but they are exactly the same as we have heard about Sanchez every off-season (watching tape, knows playbook inside-out, off-season activities). None of the aforementioned relate to mental strength which is what Sanchez sadly lacks in and Geno does too.

I'd happily draft Smith but not with #9 or #13.

 

There's nothing wrong with Geno Smith that having a better defense last year wouldn't have fixed. He's not an all-time talent like Luck and RGIII look to be but he's definitely in the same range or better than Ryan Tannehill, Jake Locker, Christian Ponder, etc from the last half decade.

He's as good or better a prospect than Alex Smith and Aaron Rodgers were in 2005. Teams turned their noses up at those guys also because they weren't Eli Manning or Ben Roethlisberger.

I'll be just fine if the Jets take Geno Smith on one of those picks. There are a few people I like more in this draft but a QB is a very valuable thing and if the Jets think Geno Smith is their guy they should take him. The only question is which pick and whether they could even trade down a little and still secure him.

If there is a real market for Tavon Austin out there this year in terms of a trade up and if the Jets would like to have Austin even if they can't trade him after the fact then taking him on the 9 and seeing what breaks is an interesting idea. If you get down to 13 and you still have Austin then Geno Smith just got even more valuable than he is in isolation.

 

Just because, I wanted to see who the other five college guys were that Geno "out-prepared", if you will, according to Dilfer. Looking it up, it seems the six were:

Matt Barkley
Aaron Murray
Geno Smith
Mike Glennon
Garrett Gilbert
EJ Manuel (2nd time as an Elite 11 counselor)

 

My problem with the QB's is that that no one has the same opinion. Jaws likes Smith, Gruden likes Nassib, Polian likes Landry Jones. There is no consensus. I leave the QBs alone until a little later in the draft.

 

yeah i think geno smith is a little unfairly hated on this board because people expect us to just draft a drew brees or aaron rodgers magically. geno smith has good size, great work ethic, and doesn't turn the ball over much.

a big point that people forget is rg3 and geno smith both played in the big 12

 

Now that we have another 1st rounder, I wouldn't be devastated if we went Geno Smith. It's mostly my own head, but if we didn't have 13, our draft was tied to Geno at 9. Now with 13, we can grab Geno and someone. The draft isn't tied to Geno only. It's kind of silly now thinking of it, but I'm more comfortable drafting Geno now that we have the extra 1st

 

For me it comes down to game tape and I wasn't overly impressed by what I saw. Seemed to have a lot of trouble with sideline passes, couldn't put a spiral on a ball over 10 yards to save his life, I didn't see him go on any explosive runs.

Did he have a decent combine? Sure. Did he have a really solid pro day? I'd say so, yes. I'm just not convinced he's going to be a franchise QB. A starter maybe but Sanchez is a starter, we need a franchise guy.

Look, if we draft Smith he'll have my full support and I'll hope and pray that he becomes a legit high end QB...but I wouldn't bet on it.

 

This is a very reasonable point. If you can't clearly sort out who is best among say Smith, Nassib and Jones are you better off spending a 1st for your choice, or taking your choice of the two remaining in the 2nd or taking the last guy in the 3rd?

It's human nature to want your favorite but is it better to let others decide for you and pay a quarter of the overall price instead of getting your guy?

 

I wish there could be some way we could end up with Tavon, Eifert and Geno... Man, that would be fucking great IMO.

Theres a ton of rumblings that Geno could very well start to slide, and if he gets anywhere in the 20's, I would personally try and trade up for him (you can use a pick from next year if we had to because we will have 5 extra).

Even at 13, I would be very happy with him. If we invested a first round pick in him, I would absolutely love Tavon with the other pick- what better way to help your young QB than to give him his favorite weapon from college and the best playmaker in the draft? If you are going to invest a 1st round pick in a QB this year or even a 2nd, you better be focused on making the talent on offense better.

I know its a complete pipe dream, but imagine Tavon at 9, Eifert at 18 or so from a trade down, Geno in the late 20s (give up this years 2nd and 4th and next years 3rd or 4th) and then Ivory from the Saints for the 5th or 6th rounder? Talk about a complete overhaul on offense and infusion of youth... One can only dream haha. Knowing the Jets theyll draft Mingo

 

It all depends on one's opinion of the consensus. As fans we need it, but the guys who are paid to be right next to the situation and actually make the decisions cannot afford to put too much stock in it.

The consensus perspective is a big piece of the puzzle for us as fans, but I'd be surprised if any successful FO valued it any more than bathroom reading material. It's the reason that millions of dollars are pumped into executives, scouts, etc by each team, in preparation for the draft. It's the reason that Revis was traded up for, that Russell Wilson was drafted and given the car keys right away, etc., etc.

I know everyone already knows it, but all that matters is that the people in charge believe enough in the pick to make it - the only role any knowledge of the consensus should play is to make a judgement on when a player needs to be taken to avoid losing him, and to potentially sell picks to the media in the aftermath.

 

He has sucked balls everytime he has played in weather, especially in NYC December 29 last year. I wouldn't consider him with a first round pick, the kid is just too inaccurate and too inconsistent.

 

Let's say you value Geno Smith above Ryan Nassib and Landry Jones but you're not completely certain that Smith is worth your 1st round pick, and you value Ryan Nassib above Landry Jones but you're not sure he's worth your second. You're not certain who is the best of the three QB's but you have them prioritized as above.

Are you better off taking Geno Smith in the 1st, Ryan Nassib in the 2nd or just letting whichever of the three is available float down to your 3rd round pick without being certain any of them will get there?

I would think that unless you were absolutely sold on Smith the answer is to let it ride past your 1st round pick and see what happens. Then if you get down to the 2nd and Smith is still there you have a huge win.

If Smith is gone, which is likely, you let it ride again and float down to your 3rd and if Nassib is there again you have a huge win.

And then if not you take Jones because your 3rd round pick is about a quarter as valuable as your 1st was. So you got a QB you value, selected for you by other people who paid the premium you were not willing to pay to get the two guys above Jones on your list.

If none of them is there at the 3rd, well you didn't have a strong enough commitment to any of them to make sure you got them so no real loss.

 

This is where teams who don't have intelligent, logical, open-minded scouting/drafting personnel fail. The situation you outline ends up being a mess for them, and they get caught in indecision and make half-hearted choices.

On the contrary, the situation you outline isn't a concern for a professional sports organization that has it's sh*t together, for lack of a better term. Their proprietary information, gathered over months and even years of research, sets relatively crystal clear value assignments for the organization to act on, and they don't find the waters muddied like you set forth in your example. The problem you lay out is one that is more applicable to us as fans, in my opinion - I believe a good NFL team's scouting department has that all sorted out pretty thoroughly.

If the confusion/indecision in the example you laid out is a reality for an organization at this point in time, I'm pretty sure they're going to fail at some point. Given the progressive/independent draft thinking that drove much of the success we saw out of the Seahawks, I'm happy we have a guy that was part of it helming our Jets draft now.

 

I only saw him once, in the Pinstripe Bowl in Yankee Stadium. In a cold weather game in December, in the snow, he stunk. Nassib, on the other sideline did not light the place up, but he was MUCH better than Smith.

If we played in Miami, great, take him. We play in the Meadowlands. Any home playoff game will be cold. Don't take the guy who can't play in the cold.

 

That was on a snowy baseball field where the grass looked like it had turds all over it. I am pretty sure a snowy game in Jet Life would not look like that.

 

So you are thinking that he couldn't hit the broad side of a barn that day because the field was not turf? Hmmm... could be. It also could be that the ball was cold and wet and he was cold and wet and he doesn't play well when he is cold and wet and the ball is cold and wet. Hmmm... could be as well.

The problem is that in December and hopefully January, all home games will be cold, and probably wet.

 

Watching the game on TV you could see that the offensive line could not block well (could not plant their feet) and he could not plant his feet to throw the ball.

 

I'm not opposed to Geno for any particular reason, but I don't see the logic in drafting a QB this year because the Jets, as much as I hate to acknowledge it, are destined for bottom 5 next year.