Would you have given Revis that contract?

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Would you have given Revis 6 yrs/$96M?

  1. Yes, so I hate trading him

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  2. Yes, but I'm in favor of the move

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  3. No, so this had to be done

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  4. No, but I still wish we kept him

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  1. ajax

    ajax Well-Known Member

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    If Revis plays this season healthy & dominates, I'll be in absolute shock if he doesn't holdout to convert some of those years into guaranteed salary.
     
  2. GoldenShowers

    GoldenShowers Well-Known Member

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    No, Rex didn't have Revis in Baltimore. Instead he was forced to work with the greatest Safety and MLB ever to play the game. The defebse without elite players who are cornerstones to the system will be significantly worse.

    The carpenter needs tools to accomplish his design.

    Btw, the Jets stopped blitzing and playing the 46 bc they needed to employ more help for their DBs with the absence of Revis. The result was an atrocious run D and a middle of the road overall defense. People conveniently talk about our pass D, but fail to mention that in order to maintain a decent pass D we abandoned the 46 and the run D and overall D faltered. Symbiotic relationships are a little too much for the "yay lets rebuild the offense now" crowd.
     
  3. Snatch Catch

    Snatch Catch Well-Known Member

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    And as another point, him sacrificing guaranteed money in this deal for higher AAV will then end up hurting the Bucs in those negotiations. Even though there is no guaranteed money in this deal, they have set the baseline for what he is "worth", and if a time comes when Revis comes back to being Revis, that is going to be the starting point in negotiations (must like the Al Davis Aso deal effed everything up with Darrelle in the first place).
     
  4. JetsFan

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    It is a contract with an unwritten two year guaranteed salary. They have to pay him this year and no way they cut him after one year when they already had him for 1 year at $6M when they traded for him and assumed his contract. Then they increased his 2013 salary by $10M and gave up the two draft picks. They aren't going to give a 2014 pick up and easily forget about the extra $10M for a guy not on the team.

    Everyone is saying he will be there for two years at the very least, most are saying three years at a minimum unless the HC gets fired before then.
     
  5. NotSatoshiNakamoto

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    The point was that there is more than one way to skin a cat. Rex will use the tools he has to field a good defense. Wilkerson is becoming dominant and Coples isn't too far behind. If they can add a big NT in the draft - which is a good possibility - it could be huge.

    Do you have access to some data that shows how many 46 snaps the Jets took in 2012 vs. 2011 and prior or are you just saying that? I know that prior to the season they were saying they wanted to run more 46 in 2012.

    And yea - we should be building the offense since the league heavily favors it and the overwhelming majority of superbowl teams are built on strong offense.
     
  6. Don

    Don 2008 TGG Rich Kotite "Least Knowledgeable" Award W

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    Well, nobody wanted him but Tampa Bay..everybody knew how much he wanted..seems the Jets made the right decision and even Tampa Bay protected themselves but to say there is no guaranteed money is silly, the minute he signed it they were on the hook for 16 million..if anybody thinks they will dump him before March 3rd of next year after giving up a 1st round pick is crazy so that will be 32 million and exactly the same amount of guaranteed money he got out of the Jets on his last deal.
     
  7. VanderbiltJets

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    That's my point: we could've extended him without guaranteed money and, worst case scenario, traded a healthy Revis. All done without adding future guaranteed money (a.k.a. the Tanny Burden)
     
  8. VanderbiltJets

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    He also had at least one competent pass rusher
     
  9. VanderbiltJets

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    I wouldn't have minded another 2 years of Revis. He may be a cap stranglehold but at least that means the money isn't being committed elsewhere to a few overpaid players that will get cut before their contract ends.
     
  10. Hobbes3259

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    ^ that .......
     
  11. Don

    Don 2008 TGG Rich Kotite "Least Knowledgeable" Award W

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    What? You really think that Revis would have taken that deal from the Jets? That's insane. The ONLY reason he took it from TB was because the Jets backed him into a corner. Nobody wanted him but TB..he couldn't get two teams into a bidding war so he had absolutely no leverage at all. It was either play for the Jets for 9 million or TB for 16 million and since Mevis is always about the bucks he took the best deal he could get.
     
  12. GoldenShowers

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    Again, Rex just lost his best defensive player. Hoping some non elite guy will just make up for it is retarded. The defense was significantly worse without him, bc of the chain reaction that happens when you no longer can eliminate a teams #1 with just one guy. You have to play more cover 2, which means less run stuffing and blitzing. Rex will make adjustments, but he loses his by far best player upon which his entire system revolved.

    Secondly, the notion of "buildig an offense" is absolutely retarded. THE ENTIRE OFFENSE IS ABOUT THE QUARTERBACK. Trading Revis doesn't help you get one. You can't build an offense without a great QB, period. It is idiocy to think that by turning Revis into a guard and a slot receiver that we are going to be a championship quality team.

    So we weakened our greatest strength in order to add guys who without a great QB will have minimal if any impact. Brilliant!

    IF these picks could have been parlayed into trading for or trading up for a Pro Bowl QB, it's a good move. Seeing as there are none of those available, it was a terrible move.
     
  13. Don

    Don 2008 TGG Rich Kotite "Least Knowledgeable" Award W

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    Nonsense..a terrible move would have been to watch him walk away and get nothing at the end of the year....and that even assumes he did play..he may have feigned injury so as not to jeopardize any perceived chance he had that he could have made a killing when he left.
     
  14. NotSatoshiNakamoto

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    If the QB sucks the offense will probably suck, but the entire offense is not about the QB. You're showing a real lack of understanding with a statement like that. You need playmakers and at least a serviceable offensive line too. Having a proven NFL offensive coordinator also helps.
     
  15. GoldenShowers

    GoldenShowers Well-Known Member

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    Or perhaps the owner would swallow is pride and actually make an attempt at giving his best player a long term deal? How aout that?

    Rex's system, which produced amazing results, requires great CBs. Just bc the Giants system doesn't, doesn't mean you shouldn't pay for them. If the by far best player on a defensive oriented team is a CB, playing in a system that values CB tremendously, and that same player is a fan favorite HOF player, it is not that unreasonable to pay him.

    Unless your vagina got hurt by prior negotiations a la Woody.
     
  16. GoldenShowers

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    Right bc the Indianapolis Colts went from elite with a QB, an absolute joke without, to being right back in the playoffs with another great one is just coincidence.

    The entire sport is either having an insane defense or an elite QB. A mediocre QB with a mediocre D hasn't won shit in this league, regardless of "weapons" on offense.
     
  17. ArmandJ

    ArmandJ Well-Known Member

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    Nope. Tampa Bay will regret it if no playoffs.
     
  18. Mambo9

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    Honestly, the more I think about it the more I think it's a win for the Jets, the Bucs and Revis... what more would you want?

    I wish we had given him the same deal but we don't have enough cap space because of the Sanchez and Holmes contract fiascos... thank you Tanny.
     
  19. NotSatoshiNakamoto

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    Perhaps Curtis Painter is more of a step down at QB than going from great to average?

    I'm starting to think you don't understand the sport.
     
  20. LAJet

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    Not just no but hell no. I think $16M for a CB is insanely stupid. I'm happy as hell that he is gone. No doubt an outstanding player, but by no means the most critical defensive position in todays game. DE, rushing LB, and may be even a top tier NT that can push the pocket and give the QB less time to throw is where the money should go in D.
    Save the big $ for the QB of our dreams.

    Given sufficient time a great QB will torch any secondary, with Revis or not.
     

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