Can you please recognize the fact that TB and the NYJ are miles apart in readiness to win the superball. There was no way in hell we could afford the $16M hit, nor apparently was any other team but TB. We need players at a number of key positions including QB. We need draft picks, not a great CB with too large an appetite and an injury that can adds risk. We would not have been a seroious contender with or without him, but now we have an opportunity to draft an immidiate starter at a key position, a a solid 3rd next year. Given the absolute lack of leverage our GM had he did a super job. Now, what do you think the chances are that Revis will not be in the roster in 2014 after TB shelling out $16M for the first year? If he is there we get a 3rd, if not that means TB really got screwed on this deal. Win win for the Jets
Think about why only one team was willing to spend that much... it's not like they're the only team with cap room!
History...just show me the Super Bowl champs that paid their CB the moon and went on to be great teams. Who on earth are the teams with their greatest player being a CB. I will show you many teams that won Superbowls with a great front four and a good D backfield. Yes..the Bucs were able to do this because they were the cheapest team in the NFL the last few years..and their fan base was almost about to kill the ownership there if they didnt start spending money. Top it all off, and I read none of that money is guaranteed. Has a Monopoly feel to it.
EXACTLY. This was the ONE AND ONLY bargaining chip we had and Idzik has flushed it down the toilet. Unreal.
I am reading only 1 pick next year: a 4, conditional to a 3. And Revis gets no guaranteed money. Will he hold out next year? Nothing guaranteed. That amazes me.
Can I just point out that the inverse argument can be made as well...Revis and the Jets went to two AFC champ games with Calvin Pace, Bryan Thomas, and a bunch of girl scounts rushing the passer...oh and Mark Sanchez at QB. It is debatable whether a pass rush is more valuable than a CB, depends on the scheme, depends on the player...but what isn't debatable is that CB, Pass Rusher, Tackle, and QB are the 4 cornerstone positions in football, so all these people posting about how a CB doesn't matter, please enough already
It's a 3rd. You really don't think Revis will be on the Bucs roster next March? Idzik was able to get a 1st and 3rd working with NO LEVERAGE. Not only that, the Bucs were the only seriously interested team. Idzik played the hand he was dealt, and he played it very well. With that said, I'm still pissed Revis is no longer on this team and for that I blame Woody and Tanny.
If that's yer attitude, what's the point of hanging onto him when the GM isn't going to be able to draft well enough to surround him with a winning team? Your best move is probably just to switch teams.
Recent history of the 13th pick. I wouldnt call it nothing... 2012 Michael Floyd Cardinals 1 13 13 WR Notre Dame 2011 Nick Fairley Lions 1 13 13 DT Auburn 2010 Brandon Graham Eagles 1 13 13 LB Michigan 2009 Brian Orakpo Redskins 1 13 13 LB Texas 2008 Jonathan Stewart Panthers 1 13 13 RB Oregon 2007 Adam Carriker Rams 1 13 13 DE Nebraska 2006 Kamerion Wimbley Browns 1 13 13 LB Florida State 2005 Jammal Brown Saints 1 13 13 T Oklahoma 2004 Lee Evans Bills 1 13 13 WR Wisconsin 2003 Ty Warren Patriots 1 13 13 DT Texas A&M 2002 Donte' Stallworth Saints 1 13 13 WR Tennessee 2001 Marcus Stroud Jaguars 1 13 13 DT Georgia 2000 John Abraham Jets 1 13 13 LB South Carolina 1999 Troy Edwards Steelers 1 13 13 WR Louisiana Tech 1998 Takeo Spikes Bengals 1 13 13 LB Auburn 1997 Tony Gonzalez Chiefs 1 13 13 TE California 1996 Walt Harris Bears 1 13 13 DB Mississippi State 1995 Mark Fields Saints 1 13 13 LB Washington State 1994 Joe Johnson Saints 1 13 13 DE Louisville 1993 Brad Hopkins Oilers 1 13 13 T Illinois
Ok...a couple things..and if he doesnt show up and "ball"? You rarely get trades during the year that are huge. The biggest thing is this..if Tampa gets off to a 2-4 start...you really think they make that trade? When they can sign him in 6 months?
Look at JPP, elite pass rusher didn't do shit this year and the Giants suffered because they had shit CB play Denver had 2 stud pass rushers and couldn't beat the Ravens because of a shit secondary the 49ers had a legit pass rush and got beat down by Anquan fucking Boldin I dont care how good your pass rush is if you corners cant stop their receivers you aint got shit I cant count how many times I've seen a pass rusher disappear in a game while I've rarely seen Revis get owned(Stevie Johnson in 2011 did a great job and really thats it)
I'm ok with the 13 and the conditional. A couple of months ago people were talking about a 2nd and a 5th. The 13 is real value for the rebuild and we'd never have paid him $16M a year to play CB. Those are Al Davis funny numbers. If the Bucs pull that off and win a championship my hat is off to them. The Marlins spike a payroll every decade or so and shoot the moon with it. Maybe that's the South Florida formula. Won't work in NY though, the pay scale up here doesn't accommodate CB's looking to get paid like QB's even if it is just for a year or two before you cut them.
Dominate what? We just do what every other team does and throw (if we have a QB who can..you know..actually throw) to the other side of the field..all he will dominate is your mind if you let him.
Yes, but they also had Rex's brand new scheme in place that due to the multiple exotic looks, made it easier to generate a pass rush. Just because you say "oh the Jets only had Calvin Pace and BT rushing the passer", doesnt mean that is a bad thing. We had a pretty good pass rush then. It may not have been due to one on one battles being one, but we still pressured the QB.
You need 2/3 players and other top stars to be underpaid or on rookie contracts. Currently on our team we don't have that
Does anyone really believe with all of the crap that has gone down that Revis would sign with us after this year? Come on guys...did you really buy that crap that he wanted to be a Jet? He just signed a 96 million contract that isnt guaranteed. This is a no brainer..no brainer.
