Richard Todd played in 4 playoff games, in one playoff game he threw 4 INTs, in another he threw 5 INTs. in 6 playoff games Sanchez has 3 INTs. No, I wouldn't defend Richard Todd and there aren't similar at all.
A propensity to turn the ball over isn't similar? Replacing legends on teams that had great defenses and running games, is similar? Think again and this time without Nacho goggles.
The really funny part about Sanchez supporters is that they say he was really good in 2009-2010 but it was a lousey OC that he sucked in 2011-12...despite the fact that one of those latter years was under the same OC that they claim he was "great" in the first two years. reality is the 2012 Mark Sanchez is the same measurables as the 2009, 2010, 2011 Sanchez, a bottom 1/5th of the league (and that's being generous, reality is he's a bottom 1/30th) QB. But yeah whatever....
what legend did mark replace? Brett did absolutely nothing for our franchise besides sell a few jerseys. Todd turned it over at a ridiculous level(he had ONE season where he had more TDs than INTs), mark has had TO issues but has won more w/ less offensive talent.
I don't blame the OC, I like Brian Schottenheimer and think he is a good OC. I was against replacing him. Mark's problems last year had more to do w/ the healthy talent around him than anything else. If you think 2012 mark Sanchez was the same as '09-'11 then you really don't have a clue what you are watching.
Your right you can't, because it's true. Your hung up on "play off wins", and if Mark had carried a team in teh playoffs I'd agree, but he only "carried" the team in one playoff game, one. Give Todd today's passing rules and the current team and I'll 100% guarentee a better record. Period.
Unlike you I can prove it's the same Sanchez through actual demonstrable facts, and have done so repeatedly in this thread. You only rely on casual subjective oberservations based on emotional desire. The metric that speaks it all, bottom 1/30th of the league over his career of ANY active QB who's started at least 16 games in their career in every measurable category of merit, Completiion percentage, TD%, INT%, fumbles, YPA, YPC, etc. Like it or not those are the measures of a QB, you have no problem using stats to say why the defense was "bad" or the running game was "Bad", but you ignore the stats that show that Sanchez was TRULY bad, in every sense of the word. Here's a clue as to how bad Sanchez is....in a league where there are so many teams with Question marks at the QB position, including teams as miserable as the Cardinals, when it was made public that the Jets would listen to offers for Sanchez the only sound heard was Crickets. if Sanchez were even 1/2 the QB you claim he is there would have been teams beating down the door for him.
Remember, this is a league where even Jamarcus Russell, as bad as he was, has had teams sniffing around to see if he can play....
They can't even GIVE Sanchez away as part of a deal for REVIS, that's how bad Sanchez is Junc... Get it? Got it? Good.
What about not winning the AFC championship game? Sanchez has a better team surrounding him in his era, than Todd? A big difference is Todd was let go and the team found another qb, and the team improved. Maybe Nacho and the Jets will overcome what the Jets of the 80's could not? Bad qb, on a good to great team, that waited too long fix the problem? We will see I guess?
Don't forget that in 1981 the Jets under Todd were 10-5-1, in the shortend 1982 season they were 6-3 with Todd as QB. Todd played 1/2 his career in the Hard league to pass in and 1/2 in the era where the passing rules started to change to make passing more favorable. Mind you I'm not saying that Todd was a good QB, just saying that given the time period he played in he was a better QB than Sanchez.
I don't care about "carrying a team", it's about winning. what team did Todd ever carry in the playoffs? Todd had a worse record w/ more talent and no dynasty team in the division, he wouldn't be doing more w/ the teams of the last 4 years. prove it then, this should be hysterical. you can't, you will throw out some #s w/o context that proves absolutely nothing b/c fantasy #s are how you judge QBs. You want say he sucked this year? I agree but to say he's the same guy the last 4 years shows me either A) you didn't watch him the last 4 years or B) you have no clue what you are watching. Sanchez would be picked up in a heartbeat if the Jets released him but teams aren't going to trade picks for him and pick up his contract. future HOF QB miss playoffs Mark crappy Sanchez we make 2 title games I don't think you understand how vital he was to those runs. You guys think it's easy to win in January, w/o quality QB play you aren't winning anything.
yep, 10-5-1 which is worse than 11-5, right? and did he have the Brady led Pats to worry about? once in postseason where he got a home playoff game(thanks to the rules back then where a WC team could host) he threw 4 INTs and the Jets lost in the WC rd. 1982 was the only full season he threw more TDs than INTs. There's nothing he has, not #s, wins, TOs, TDs, TD to INT ratio that points to him being better than Mark. This is just asinine and my guess is you never saw Todd play.
Junc, the only person that has taken stats out of context is yourself, you cherry pick information and then frame it in the most favorable way possible, the ultimate in taking things out of context. I don't need to reprove it again, I've proven it repeatedly in this thread, all you have to do is look at career stats for active QBs in the primary categories of completion percentage, TD%, int%, fumbles, YPA, YPC, etc and Sanchez ranks at or near the bottom of each and every one of them for any QB that's started at least 16 games and been in the league for at least 2 years. So by your metric if you don't care if he carried the team and you only care if they won the game then you have to say he's been the ultimate choke in the big games then in order to reach the superbowl. But you won't, you will, and have, blamed everything but Sanchez for the losses and given credit to noone other than Sanchez for the wins. Your like the mother of a crazed killer who says "it's not his fault, he's such a good boy".
I did blame Schotty, and he was bad. But the real screwup was Mark, and he is still here with his enabler Rex.
You are the one who says he tore his biceps against the Bengals, not me. He said he was sore, but could play. What exactly is this supposed to prove? You mock my link and then post something from a Bengals blog? Lol!! Even if you believe the quote, it doesn't help you with your claim that he tore his biceps in that Cincinnati game. It actually infers the opposite. Notice the word eventual? That means occurring in the future. He took a beating in that game and he may or may not have been injured. According to him, he was just sore. You have provided nothing to back your claim that he tore his biceps in week 5 and that it didn't affect his play.
No he didn't have Brady, he had the winning machine known as the Dolphins who from 1977 to 1987 were never under .500 including 7 season with 10 or more wins during that time frame. So yes oh dim one there was a dynasty in the AFC East during that period of time, they were known as the Dolphins, despite a lack of superbowl expertise, they were a very very good team over that decade long period.
