95% of all the CBs in the league can't shut any number 1s down, at least not consistently. They get burned for TDs every week. Revis is in a completely different league than most of them. If Revis is capable of shutting down the highest paid receiver in the league, I think he should get paid what they make. You don't want to spend 15 million on a guy who shuts down receivers that make 12 million tops. Revis should make near / slightly more than the highest paid WR in the league. I think that makes sense. And yeah, he effects every snap because he takes away the QBs primary option EVERY PLAY in a predominantly passing league. Arguing that he effects the game more than a good pass rusher, is like arguing apples to oranges. A team needs decent corner play AND a good pass rush to have a consistent defense that can dominate. It's never just one or the other, it's the overall balance. You can build the defense either way.
I don't know much about moneyball, despite that I did see the film, heh. But in general I agree with you. There's more than one way to build an SB winner, to be sure. Moneyball in baseball started out as an approach to make a relatively down market, low payroll team competitive. That's neither the JEts in particular or the NFL in general. And of course you compare a game with nine to ten full time players with a game with 11 on both sides, special teams, etc., and it quickly becomes too problematic a comparison. I guess some here might say there is some optimal way to build an SB winner, but that again is not the only way. But more importantly it is not like you get to start from scratch. Nobody, including I would say ALL of hte posters here, want to see the Jets just completely give up on any attempt to achieve success say in the next three to four years. It is not necessary to do so in the NFL, anyway. You start each off season with an assessment of your current roster. You make moves looking at each player's strengths, weaknesses, contract and how they fit in with the rest of the roster. It's more like a card game than moneyball. You take the cards you are dealt and try to make the best of your hand. If you were dealt a great CB from a first round pick, you don't complain that you'd rather your best defensive player was an NT or a pass rushing OLB. And again, there is more than one way to build an SB winner, so that also goes into the analysis.
Here's another point i see too many here failing to understand, but it goes beyond what you are saying, too. The job Revis does is normally handled by two people, with double coverage on the opponent's top receiver. Revis allows hte D to free up a player, which in turn provides many options and flexibility in calling defensive signals and plays. He is also an excellent tackler, probably the best at that at CB in the league. And of course he is not lmited to playing the opponent's wideouts, and has played different parts of the field and different positions of hte opponent. I wonder how much people have been paying attention when they say his contribution is limited.
Any pick above a 3 is really a win to be honest, since it is all we will get in compensatory and that is in 2015. Really no choice but to trade him soon.
I just cant wait to see Cromartie play like he did in 2012. You know, like when we didnt really miss Revis.
I don't recall the Jets getting burned very often in the secondary last year. They did give up 20 TD passes, which was 10th in the NFL as opposed to just 15 in 2011 which was 2nd. On the other hand they gave up 24 in 2010 which ranked 19th. If you look at the numbers it seems strange to say it, but the fact is that if you jumble up their 2010, 2011 and 2012 passing defense numbers they all look about the same. There's one constant in those 48 games. Rex Ryan.
moneyball is about plug and play personnel based on statistical variables of the players past performance. its also about recognizing not being able to keep up with other teams approaches/finances in a non-level playing field......thus necessitating doing it differently to compete. That is not at all what we've been discussing. We are talking about how to best spend a level NFL salary cap, and how much is too much for 1 player within that cap. I do agree though, that there is certainly many ways to construct a team within a cap. Every team changes quite a bit every year, and positions of strength turn to weakness and vice versa quickly, sometimes with the overall result of the team remaining comparable. There are many ways to go about it.. Edit One thing does remain consistent in the cap era of NFL when gauging success. Limit the dead money against the cap, and do not get caught paying guys well past their production, ie paying an avg producer like a stud. Kills the cap and ability to field real difference makers.
The Jets were 2-0 in games Revis played this year and 4-10 in games he didn't play which are obviously skewed by other factors We are a better team with Revis than without him if you're worried about the cap you need to get your info up since the 2014 cap is very flexible and that's before Sanchez, Holmes and others are cut along with Cromartie and Harris likely gettin new cap friendly deals Also Revis isn't seeing 16M from Tampa Bay or New York he's gonna get 13M a year from us hopefully
Yep, that says it right there. Having one of the best defensive minds in football as a coach definitely increases his expendability factor. While other lesser coaches might need the crutch of having the island on his team, we don't as long as Rex is here.
Yea and prior to this year the Jets were undefeated in games Revis missed. Small sample size doesn't explain anything.
Rex + current D without Revis= good defense Rex + current D with Revis= great defense Like I said if we can get Revis for a Clay Matthews like extension then I'm all for it
The Jet D with Revis was not great in 2010 and 2011. It was great only in 2009 and the thing that made it great that year was Rex had pressure coming from all angles and Darrelle Revis actually had the 4th most passes thrown his way of any CB in the NFL. The only way to make Revis great in a great defense is to force people to throw at him even though they should be smart enough not to test him most of the time.
We went 6-10 for reasons far exceeding Revis... Start with not having an NFL offense...and I suppose end there too. We win 4 more games if we had a competent offense on the field that was capable of sustaining drives, not constantly turning the ball over, and of course scoring a TD once in a while. I mean we butt fumbled for fuck sake...that right there encapsulates it all.
Our defense with Revis isn't great...it's good...our defense without him was also good...your point makes no sense.
I think you guys are only looking at passing defense when it comes to Revis He helps the run defense, he frees up another defender, Rex schemes so much better with him on the field I understand wanting picks but when you look at the draft you got 256 players drafted every year, we got 7 picks and its likely that more players will amount to nothing than will amount anything Trading Revis isn't smart also paying him 16M isn't but there has to be a compromise to keep him in green and white
I think the offense and not being able to stop the run had a lot more to do with that than the pass D.
Revis helps us stop the run and get off the field on 3rd down giving us more chances on offense but Sanchez and co shitting the bed doesn't help either However trading Revis does not improve the play at quarterback which is the only problem we really have on O
