I think we should take our 9, 13 and whatever it takes (3rd?) to get get Dion Jordan. I think he may be one of the most athletic linebackers to come out of college in a while and would more than make up for the loss of Revis and bring a Terrell Suggs type ferocity to the D.
...Are you saying the 9 and the 13 or the 9 or the 13? I might trade the 9 and a 3rd for Jordan and a 6th because I think Jordan is a much better prospect than the other OLBs. But for the most part, I'm against trading up. If you want to trade the 9 and the 13 for Jordan....hmy:
One thing I did appreciate about Tanny is he always traded up for the guys our scouts believed in: see Revis. Granted, he also screwed the team ( see Sanchez) but still I appreciate the idea of focusing onhigh impact players.
I don't think you can get to the 2nd or 3rd pick of the draft without giving up your 9 and 13. You are getting the 2nd pick in the draft and possibly one of the best players in it. It's worth it IMO.
The 9, 13 and another pick is way too much to give up for anyone in this draft. These picks are too valuable because this team is in rebuild mode and needs multiple talented players not just one. We can really upgrade both sides of the ball with Jones at 9 and Austin at 13.
If you knew you could draft LT or Terrell Suggs, would you still cling to your 9 and 13? I wouldn't. All signs point to a monster, and oh by the way plays a position which is arguably our biggest need (besides QB)
You don't know. You never know. And trading 2 top 13 picks for a LINEBACKER is completely insane. For a linebacker with mediocre production making plays? I'd want to fire everyone next season. Revis and the 9th pick for Dion Jordan....no.... And I like Jordan a lot. I'd be willing to move up for him, though I'm very frugal giving up picks. Mostly for 2 reasons. 1. I think he's the best player by a significant amount at his position given his size, athleticism and ability. 2. There's no one else of comparable value at a position of need at 9, unless you want a quarterback.
What about depth and talent across the board? The Jets are in trouble right now because they have one of the least talented rosters in the NFL. They're in trouble precisely because they religiously followed the foster quality at all costs method you prescribe. From 2007 on the Jets used mid round picks as cannon fodder to trade up and trade for vets. They have an absurd number of missing picks at this point from the 2007 to 2010 time frame that were never exercised by the Jets because they were used to trade for Darrelle Revis, David Harris, Dustin Keller, Kris Jenkins, Brett Favre, Mark Sanchez, Shonn Greene, Lito Sheppard, Braylon Edwards, Antonio Cromartie and Santonio Holmes. All the bundling of picks and trading for vets put a huge amount of pressure on the Jets not to blow the few picks they promoted. that made picks like Vernon Gholston, Mark Sanchez, Vladimir Ducasse and Joe McKnight absolute killers when they didn't pan out at the top end. It made average players like Dustin Keller and Shonn Greene into failures because of the price paid for them versus the gains. It made injury dropouts like Kris Jenkins, Darrelle Revis and Santonio Holmes even more critical. We had a nice mirage in 2009 and 2010 that was fueled primarily by Woody Johnson spending a lot of money on veteran free agents and by the Jets having excellent injury luck (no offensive linemen injured in the two years, nor in 2008). The strategy you are promoting is exactly what has brought the Jets low and thankfully it is one we will likely not see again for a long time. Even if Idzik wasn't fundamentally sound as a GM, which he appears to be, Woody has now lived through two trade up induced collapses in 2005 and 2012. I doubt he's in the market for another one in 2019.
Trading up for Revis didn't hurt us but doing it for Sanchez, Keller, Greene and Harris did We dont know if the Hill trade up hurt but pairing that with trading for Tebow sure did
If you trade up in the top 10 it has to be for an absolutely critical piece of the puzzle. Really it has to be a QB, a LT, possibly a WR if you already have a good QB and LT. The other pieces of the puzzle aren't going to seal the deal for you. They may be heavy contributing elements but they won't take you to the mountain top. Darrelle Revis had as good a season as a CB can have in 2009 and it didn't matter in the end because a CB cannot carry a team when it runs into a great team or a great QB. I don't even think a pass rusher is worth trading up for unless you absolutely know he is Bruce Smith or Reggie White or Lawrence Taylor and how can you know he is an all-time great when you make the trade up? Clowney may be worth trading up for but he is the first pass rusher that's been true of in a long time.
There's really not a whole lot I like at 9 or 13 truthfully, I'm just not big on any of the talent there. I like Dion and we would still have at least 5 picks left. This is a mediocre draft, with a lot of so-so talent in different positions. So I say you take the guy with best chance of succeeding in making Rex's D special this year. He doesn't have to be the greatest of all time, just great for the jets and the system they run.
The Jets have lots of holes on the roster right now. They need to use their picks to get good players, not bundle the picks to try to get a great player. Let's say the Jets could absolutely pick the hall of famer in this draft out of the pack. So they trade their entire draft to go get the one hall of famer and by doing so they get more AV out of the draft than anybody else. They still have to field a roster, and it doesn't matter who that hall of famer is unless he's a QB, they're going to lose a bunch of games next year. They'll have Joe the UDFA playing a key role here, and Vlad the slug playing a key role there and they'll get killed because they bundled all their picks up to take the HoF guy. Even if he's a QB they'll lose a bunch of games because he won't have a pocket to pass from all year and some key player will get hurt and cause another UDFA to start fouling up the works somewhere. It's not about assembling a few hall of famers who then carry a team to championships. It may look like that at times but with a few exceptions in NFL history it's about assembling a great team that then carries the greatest among them to the hall of fame in the process of winning a few championships. Even the exceptions, who I would argue are worth trading up for, can't win a championship on a roster with 3 or 4 guys worth a lot and 48 guys just earning a living and glad to have a roster spot.
Lets say that we get the Buc's 1st and 3rd, which we then package with our 1st to get the #2 pick if the draft. We pick one of the best athlete/footballers in the draft and we still have all our original picks. So we trade one great player for another younger cheaper one and still a whole draft to run through. That doesn't even sound risky, just smart. We are in a unique position in this scenario to do something like that without giving up our entire draft, it's almost risky to not consider it.
I see more of a Jason Taylor in Jordan than Suggs. Jarvis Jones is more Suggs like, but with shitlocks and no biz markie lip.
Yeah, but we're taking a LT who we don't need or a DT which isn't a priority or an OLB who doesn't look like a big pass rusher with that 2 pick. How does that profit the Jets? Dion Jordan is not Lawrence Taylor. Pretending that he is worth two 1sts and a 3rd doesn't change that fact. Lawrence Taylor had 16 sacks his final year at UNC in 1980. He was a Consensus All-American and ACC Player of the Year that year. Dion Jordan has 14.5 sacks in 3 years at Oregon. They're not remotely close to being the same caliber of player. There is nobody in this draft that is worth trading up to the top of the draft for. That was last year.
1. It wouldn't cost a 9, a 13 and a 3 to move up. It would probably take the 9 and the 2 or the 9 and the 3 and a 5 or 6 depending how how high, because I think he's going near the top. 2. Even if it did, when you have 4 picks or so in the top 100 and you have as many needs as the Jets, you can't justify using 3 of them to take an outside linebacker with 14.5 career sacks. I'd give up a 1 and maybe, maybe a 3, but mostly if we got a big deal for Revis. The Jets need to get youth at a number of positions and take as many chances of getting quality players as they can. Not having many picks lessens the chance of getting impact players. If there were Andrew Luck or Robert Griffin in this draft, I'd give up the 9, a 13, a 3 and a 2nd next year. But there's no quarterback in this draft.
