No one claimed he was polished. Him not being polished is implied in the fact that we are taking him in round 3 or 4. I think the guy has all the tools to become a great qb. This draft, other than possibly geno smith, has no qb's who will be instant impact makers. A guy like Dysert is the perfect type we need. Tall, fast, strong arm, awesome at throwing on the run, and good decision maker. With the right person overlooking him, he could be something special. Low risk high reward picking him that late.
Laggeman may have been a good player but whether Laggeeman was a good or bad player is irrelevant as the pick carried a huge lost opportunity cost. If the Jets wanted to reach for him they could have easily taken him in the 3rd round. If they really wanted to make sure they got him they could have taken him in the second round. Taking him in the 1st round was idiotic and a strategy that is long term suicide. Regardless of the talent draft picks are all probabilities. Taking players early and getting bad value means you get less value and less draft picks. Its a bad strategy. The Raiders are the prime example of this strategy routinely taking players many rounds before anyone else would because they are high on their board only. The opposite strategy is just as bad IMO pf always trying to get value on players that teams pass up. Pretty much what the Bengals seem to do a lot. But in fairness to the Bengals their strategy is based more off of taking risk on character. IMO the best strategy is a balancing act between talent evaluation and value. Only reaching a little when your very confident but not overreaching like a Laggeman pick and working the draft to get the guys you want for good value. You can fall in love with one guy and go get him but with most picks you need to be flexible and push for value. Trading back like the Pats to get players and stockpile your picks is an example of team that works the board to get the playersthey want, stockpile extra picks and get good value without reaching. There is an inverse relation between the two the more you try to get value the more it will hurt your talent evaluation but more picks you will accumulate improving your probability odds. The Laggeman pick was a terrible pick and far worse than bust picks like Ghoulston, Sanchez, Haight and Thomas because it was stupid. The lost opportunity cost was obvious and it was throwing away draft picks. To draft effectively one cannot draft like the raiders and put all your eggs in your own talent evaluation and ignore getting value. It is a quick way to long term ruin.
Love the mock. I'm not too high on Scott, I'd rather have Dysert. I would love Jones too as long as Dion Jordan isn't there.
Thanks for all the feedback fellas. Noam, it's not always easy to trade back. It's great if you can, but you need to find a partner to make it happen. What I'm saying is that a team needs to take the guy they want if they are confident in that player. Sometimes you hit, sometimes you miss. It's the nature of the beast. They need to trust their scouts. The draft is great because every year there are a ton of surprises. Alshon Jeffery in the mid 2nd last year? Tyson Alualu a top ten pick? Ras-I Dowling in the second round? Anything can happen and it's always fun to see where guys end up.
Dysert is a project. I'm not drafting a QB in round 3 or 4 if I don't think they can play in the next couple years and I don't see it with him. Sure he has a strong arm and is a big QB, but those are the only assets I see. He stares down his first read too much, throws behind guys on the shallow routes too much, all in all is at best a decent project. With the multitude of holes we have and the complete lack of depth I'm taking a project QB in the 5th or later. I firmly see Dysert as the 5 or 6th QB in this draft and that is in a terrible year for QBs. I would be Geno, Manuel, Nassib, and Barkley ahead of him without hesitation. Glennon would most likely be in front of him as well.
Nothing personal, but you have got to be joking? Laggeman worse than Haight, Ghoulston? lol. Any palyer no matter what draft position, that can last 10 years in the NFL with just 2 teams, and play as a starter, is far from a bust. Gholston will be forgotten and I wouldn't count Sanchez in this category just yet. Haight had 6 uneventful years with the Jets, imo.
From a pure talent standpoint Ghoulstin is obviously a worse pick. But from a strategic or common sense standpoint Laggeman was the worst draft pick the Jets have ever made. when you draft a 4th round talent in the 1st round that you know you can easily get without question in the 2nd round and almost certainly in the 3rd round then you have a problem. There are very few picks that one ever sees this bad as what the Jets did drafting Laggemen in 89. Occasionally we have seen massive overreaches and headscatchers from the 90's Cardinals and the Raiders. But Laggeman is number one on the Jets list as its a mistake understanding how the draft works that a professional organization should simply never make. It is one thing to make mistakes on talent its another to simply not understand how the draft works and throw away picks for nothing. Unfortunately Hickey loved to reach for players and ignore their value. This resulted in a lot of high pick reaches by Hickey and many failed draft picks, Now Ghoulston is also special as this pick was not just a bust but it also involved the GM letting the coach override the scouts. You had the personnel department adamantly against drafting Ghoulston but the head coach forcing the pick. That is a GM mistake letting the HC bully him. To make matters worse the same thing happened 3 years later with the HC wanting Sanchez and scouts against the pick. The Ghoulston pick should have never been made. The Sanchez pick was understandable respecting a new coach. But the scouts hated Ghoulston so much it was a slap in the face to the scouting department drafting him and simply bad business to ignore their strong warnings.
Two QB have come in for visits according to: http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/2013/04/qb_zac_dysert_de_margus_hunt_a.html Zac Dysert EJ Manuel ===================== According to: http://walterfootball.com/draft2013meetingsteams.php Jets hooked up w/ Barkley @combine & hooked up Nassib & Geno Smith for private workout. ===================== As to whether Jets should go for one? I'm sure majority of this forum wants Jets to draft a QB. The big question is what round. If you want: Geno Smith = 1st rounder EJ Manuel/Nassib/Barkley = 2nd rounder (unlikely all three are available when Jets pick in second). Bray/Dysert = likely to require 3rd round pick. Tyler Wilson & Matt Scott, I'm not sure what rounds they should be drafted. Reading lots of conflicting stuff. There's a push in the late rounds for Renfree
