why the hell would Revis expect to earn a $3 million workout bonus and not attend the workouts that trigger that bonus? do you honestly think Revis expected to not attend and still earn the bonus?
Because Cimini stirred the pot and tried to make the Jets seem like bad guys for requiring a player to meet contractual obligations. Cimini does it because people bite.
Pretty much. It's an inevitable cycle. For every post I read complaining about the nonsensical bullshit coming from Cimini & Mehta, there's a shit ton more posts with people believing it blindly. Then eventually some poster shows up thinking he's smarter than everyone else & wants proof that Cimini & Mehta are cuckolds. Since they're too lazy to do a damn Google search themselves & dig for that info.
tampa offered a first third and sixth for revis according to yahoo sports this morning the jets were offered these picks for revis did anyone else see this????? i saw it on jetsnation -----its a great trade for us if it is true any comments or updates???----it is 12:30 pm edt
Pat Yasinkas on Bucs other options: http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcsouth/post/_/id/46650/plan-b-for-the-tampa-bay-buccaneers-at-cb He suggests trading up from the 13 to the 5 to get Dee Milliner if the Bucs can't shake Revis loose from the Jets. It's an interesting idea. It establishes an alternate value for the Bucs at CB. Here's what that trade proposal works out too. The 5 pick has a value of 1,700 points on the traditional trade value chart. The 13 pick has a value of 1,150 points. So the gap is 550 points to make the trade up, assuming the Lions don't want a premium which is a reasonable assumption. The Bucs 43 pick has a value of 470 points. Their 4th rounder is 112 which has a value of 70 points. Their 6th rounder is 181 which has a value of 19 points. The total on those 4 picks is 1,709 - which probably works out to about close enough for the Bucs to agree to the deal. So why don't the Bucs just make that offer to the Jets for Revis? it would be very hard for the Jets to turn them down and Revis is more likely to be a dominant CB for them for the next few years than Milliner is. They're paying through the nose for a CB either way. Why not get the future hall of famer?
It's not a great deal even if all the picks are in 2013. It's a terrible offer if the 1st is in 2014. The Jets need to get a 1st or 2nd round pick this season in the deal and then they need to get the equivalent of a 2013 1st in 2014 if they got the 2nd round this year. They can take the equivalent of a 2013 2nd in 2014 if they got the 13.
Revis is coming of major knee surgery so he's not a guarantee to be far better than Milliner. Also Milliner would play out his entire rookie contract for less than what Revis wants per year.
What are the odds that Milliner turns into an all-time great CB? 1%? Maybe 5% at the outside? With all the injury questions the odds are pretty good that Revis is head and shoulders above Milliner's rookie season. Is there more of a chance that the Bucs get very little out of the deal if they take Revis instead of Milliner? Probably not. Milliner could easily turn out to be just an average CB. The chances that he busts are probably similar to the chances that Revis injury prevents him from returning to form. So what you get out of all that is that there's risk both ways but the best chance the Bucs have to get a game-changing QB for 2013 and probably 2014 onwards is by trading for Darrelle Revis. Ok, so then you have the cap issue with the difference between a top 5 contract over the next 3 years and what it would take to lock Revis up. This is a big issue and whether it's a deal-breaker or not depends a lot on what the Bucs cap structure is at this point and moving forward. Revis is going to cost the Bucs about $10M more on the cap each season, even assuming they take steps to minimize the impact early on. So that's what it really comes down too. Do the Bucs have the cap structure to support a Revis deal moving forward? For a rebuilding team that needed a CB, well that team takes Milliner every time over Revis, because what that rebuilding team is looking for is good cheap players and a lot of them to make the rebuild effective. It's looking for players who will be better in 3 years than they are at the moment. For a team looking to make a Super Bowl run, well it comes down to the cap and whether Revis fits under it. If he does and the other pieces are in place he's clearly the best guy for the next few years.
Milliner would be about 4 million per year for five years. Revis is about 15 million per year for x years at age 28. Doing the deal for Milliner also gets you 11 million more in cap space to sign other CBs or extend some of their existing players. The gamble is a lot smaller.
You left out one other thing. Its florida. Who starts putting money in the teams pocket, the day the deal is made? They can offset a chunk of the Revis salary between tix and jerseys. So, while there is no cap implication, at the end of the day there are also business concerns. And, Milliner is a far bigger gamble than Revis. Revis steps on the field with a rep. He picks off a single pass, and he's back...no matter how true it may be.
Not exactly. Darrelle Revis was a rookie, too at one point. Obviously, the odds are likely that Milliner will never be as good as Revis, but the odds were good that rookie Revis would never be as good as Revis. So yeah, that's a pretty big payoff for a smaller gamble.
It's time to accept the offer and move on. We can sit on our hands and wait for a 1st and second that will never come leaving us with a crappy scenario, because we will have to deal with an unhappy CB in 2013 and may be get a low third in 2014. We dont need any more distractions and headaches like this. Mitigate the loss and move on.
The Jets gambled heavily on Revis when they took him to the tune of 2 more draft picks including a 2nd rounder. They got another late pick back. The point is that if the Bucs are just looking to add a CB to their team to improve a terrible pass defense then Milliner is just fine, albeit very expensive at the cost of 3 extra draft picks including a 2nd. If on the other hand they are looking to add a topflight CB for next season they are much better off trading for Darrelle Revis. It's two separate tasks, which have different answers. Want to get better? Either will do although both are expensive options, probably drafting a different CB maybe with a trade down would be the better way to go. Want to have a great defensive backfield next year? Only Revis reasonably gives you a shot at that projection at this point.
The Jets don't need to do anything right now. They have at least ten days before any pressure at all begins to settle on them. Realistically they have until August 1st.
I really don't know what the best option here is and I'm having trouble coming up with an opinion I can stick with. On the one hand, I love the idea of clearing up our cap, getting extra draft picks, and getting a lot younger. On the other hand, Revis is the best player I have ever seen play for the Jets and I think they shouldn't be giving him away at a bargain price. All I was saying is that a 1, 3 and 6 doesn't get me excited in the same way that a 1 and a 2 would. If that's the only deal on the table in a couple weeks I would have trouble pulling the trigger if I was Idzik.
