There's less risk in Vaccaro, and I think he'll be a solid player. But I don't see a star player in him. Don't think he's instinctive or explosive enough. If we're going to go with a non-traditional high pick, I'd rather go with Cooper or Warmack probably.
Really? I think Vaccaro is one of the most explosive players in this draft. He's not super fast, but plays smart, takes good angles and hits like a ton of bricks.
He's definitely someone I'm considering for the Jets at 9 if the players I'd like don't fall. He's a very safe pick and would still provide what you'd want in a first rounder. Reminds me a lot of Antrel Rolle.
Safety is not really a top 10 position. Teams do take safeties in the top 10 but they don't really profit from the moves very often. Bucs in 2012 with Mark Barron Chiefs in 2011 with Eric Berry Redskins in 2007 with LaRon Landry Raiders in 2006 with Michael Huff Bills in 2006 with Donte Whitner Redskins in 2004 with Sean Smith (tragedy but didn't have the Skins on an upward path) Cowboys in 2002 with Roy Williams Top safety isn't the ticket upwards. Good safety on an already good defense is a different story but that's not the position you start with.
What do you mean by not profiting? Of the players you listed mostly all besides Huff have been very successful. Now I agree, safety isnt exactly ideal in the top 10, but if its your best bet player who you know will impact from day 1, you take him and dont look back.
Safety is like C and G. Very important glue position but you need a great player there to make a heavy impact on your results. That said if you have a mediocre player there it can really kill you. What I mean by not profiting is that you need to spend top 10 picks on positions of high impact. You don't often get the chance to draft a superstar at a position of high impact because those guys go early in most drafts.
The rise of Barron last year reminds me of Vaccaro on the rise this year. I think Vaccaro is a better player than Barron. The Jets should take the BPA when they are OTC...we have so many needs, and no QB is going to be the BPA.
Well, the Chiefs took a safety on the 5 pick and he worked out as well as they could have hoped and 3 years later they are drafting #1.
Still has nothing to do with Berry....try again. You can't name other reasons KC sucked??? I can name many and I know you could too.
Yeah, however look at the franchises who have taken safeties in the top 10 and what that has gotten them recently. None of the teams picking a top 10 safety has used that pick to change the trajectory of the franchise upwards. The top 10 tackles taken recently have included Russell Okung, Trent Williams, Andre Smith, people who contributed heavily and their teams trended upwards. The top 10 outside linebackers taken recently have included Von Miller, Aldon Smith, A.J. Hawk, people who contributed and their teams trended upwards. Yeah, there were some QB's coming online on those teams also but that just tells you that a team smart enough to add a T or OLB early in the draft was also smart enough to know they also needed an upgrade at QB to make things work.
I think you're reaching, Berry was clearly the BPA when KC was OTC and it wasn't even close....not Okung, Haden, McClain, Spiller & Alualu who all went after them. Seattle isn't successful because they drafted Okung and KC sucks cause they drafted Berry. Some people just like to argue for the hell of it.
Find a top 10 safety whose team went on to great things. The NFL.com draft history by position only goes back to 1991 with safeties and cornerbacks differentiated and none of the 9 top 10 safeties won a Super Bowl with the team that drafted them. I'm fairly sure none of them won a Super Bowl at all but I might be off on that. FTR you can add Eric Turner and Stanley Richard to the top 10 safety drafts, both in 1991. Nobody drafted a top 10 safety from 1992 to 2001. It was considered a poor use of a high pick during that span.
He does show flashes of athletic ability, though his combine wasn't off the charts. He does everything pretty well, and I think he'll be a good safety in the NFL, but I'm not sure he'll ever be a star. He's no Eric Berry. If I'm drafting a safety in the top 10, I want a safety with an elite talent. I don't see one in Vaccaro. I think he'll be a good NFL player, just not a star. I'm not all that high on most of the top picks in this draft, and I wouldn't be shocked if we took Vaccaro. Would help out the secondary, particularly if we lost Revis. Just think the odds are that he's an above average safety.
These are basically my thoughts on Vaccaro as well. I dont really see a star. Ive only watched about 4 games of his, so I can only speak about him so much, but I just didnt get the impression that he was a star in the making. He's no Eric Berry and he's no Earl Thomas. Thomas was a lot more dynamic- ballhawk who had plus coverage skills. Vaccaro is a different type of player, but I dont see elite upside. He's around 15 on my board. I definitely see a good player, just not elite.
I never said Vacarro was better Berry. Where the in this thread did I say that? I was just bringing points of Safaties drafted in Rd 1 by Sux. Berry is a rare talent at that position. As far as Vacarro vs Thomas. They are different players, to say Earl Thomas is better I'm not sold on that as far as their Texas careers. Vaccaro's strenght is in the box, but don't sell his coverage skills short, he can play in coverage, just his run stopping ability is very superior.
Never said he was Eric Berry Taylor and Berry were the only true elite Safeties in the last 15 years and worthy of a top 5 pick. I only brought up Vaccaro as a possibility for the Jets, something as another option. If the only option left at OLB is Jones and Mingo, I mentioned Vaccaro could and will be a consideration. You want an Elite talent player with no red flags at #9???...they don't exist at any postion this year, unless you draft Warmack or Cooper if available and one should be. I just don't know the passion of Idzik to draft a OG at #9.
You still haven't answered who KC should have drafted to make them a playoff powerhouse instead of Berry?? Berry was the BPA....end of story. You draft the BPA, not matter at what # you're in the draft, with common sense in realm to your needs.....BERRY was the the clear, hands down player...KC did the right thing. Teams at the top of the draft consistently are there not because they drafted an elite Safety, it's because they have so many other flaws...MGMT, QB play, Poor coaching on and on......to say drafting Berry is why KC has problems is the craziest thing I've heard in a while. I'm not going to waste my time with you any longer, your arguement is so flawed.
