Mingo passed on lifting at the combine and now doesn't lift at his pro day. We know he can run but he also needs to be able to set the edge. Tavon Austin looks better and better
According to the Dick at ESPN we are taking Mingo because there was an internet rumor that we liked Irvin last year. Makes perfect sense.
..Still don't understand the hatred for Mingo. If you don't like the junior year production(a downyear for LSU football) go back & watch the sophomore tape. On second thought..just keep up the blind hatred for a prospect that is a viable option for this franchise.
A guy who was a moderate star in his sophomore season and then slumped in his junior year doesn't strike me as a particularly good use of a 1st round pick. Throw in the questions people have about him being able to make the transition to a 3-4 OLB and it's a really dicey pick. The scouting reports on Mingo have me deja-vuing back to 2008 and Vernon Gholston in the way they talk about his good qualities but... Not strong enough for the NFL? Weak against the run? Can't shed blocks? This is the NFL. If any of that stuff is remotely close to accurate the guy is going to be Aaron Maybin in record time. With Gholston it was about stiffness and work ethic and desire but at least the production was there. With this guy you have all the raves about his athleticism (but not great production alongside that) and then they start talking about his strength and the fact that he gets pushed around on the edge a lot. That's just scary stuff when you are talking the most valuable asset in the Jets rebuilding process.
Its not hate on the player but the Jets don't need to draft on potential at the #9. They need to get someone who can become a reliable starter. If they could trade down, get some additional picks and draft Mingo in the late teens I'm all for it. His speed could help disrupt on passing downs. But he sounds an awful lot like Maybin....lean, fast, and no pass rush moves.
A great pass rusher is about speed, leverage, balance, anticipation, aggression, there are a whole bunch of things rolled up in being a great sacker. Strength is a huge part of that. That's where you get a lot of leverage. It's how you can channel aggression effectively when you get somebody a bit off balance on a move. Mingo didn't lift at the combine and he didn't lift at the LSU pro day. That would be glaring red lights for me on a guy when people already question his strength.
no thats the truth, not a rumor. the idea was slide back to take irvin lower in round one. apparently they had a deal with steelers which was nullified when the hawks took irvin. so deal off and the jets did the next best thing - BPA - which we assume was coples. looking back not a bad thing as the current draft probably has 2-3 clones of bruce irvin anyway.
I agree w/ everything you say here. Including that there ARE some red lights w/ Mingo. Those being his body type & lack of strength. That said, those are concerns I see as a 3 down player, not as a sub package/pass rusher which the Jets need above all else year 1. Additionally, he has the frame to pack on more strength/weight & the Jets have done well w/ these type of prospects. Bryant Thomas,Brick & Kenric Ellis were all known as guys w/ weight/lifting issues who got it sorted out after a year or so.He's already up 10 lbs from his college playing weight..and although he didn't have the pads on..he displayed pretty damn good movement skills in Indy. Take a look at what the Jets already have among the front 7. You've got a big thumper who lacks some range in David Harris,an unknown but potential missile in Denario Davis,& 2 DE's w/ penetrating ability/large wingspans in Coples/Wilk. What's my point? Well acouple things. For one, the Jets could really use a speedy athlete to sort of play "Finisher" in the pass rush. Secondly, you can likely sacrifice alil size/thump from that role given Harris as well as the protective nature of those 2 DE's. Maybe that role doesn't need to have much inside leverage given these facts. Maybe he really does just need to hit the edge & make some plays w/ his speed & first step(Consequently Mingo's greatest strengths). THAT'S why I see Mingo as a viable fit. It's not that I think he's the be-all end all or that he doesn't have concerns. It's that I see a potential fit, a development plan & a history of the Jets executing on similar outfits.
I am not sure about Mingo and thats why if we don't go Ansah,Jordan or Jones with number 9 we have to look at Warmack, Austin or Star....before we pick up Mingo...or trade down and get him later...seems like there will be someone we should be sure about sitting there at 9 Who knows with the draft though..I can never guess it right
When I watch the tape he just looks too small to consistently go against NFL Tackles. for someone 6 foot 5 to play at under 240 pounds last year is just crazy. We all know that speed is just one of many things that a pass rusher may need to have. Can he set the edge, can he use his hands to beat a tackle? Too me he just seems like a freakish athlete and not such a great football player. at 6'5" he needs to get to at least 245-250 to have a chance. His legs also seem very small for an nfl front 7 player.
I went back and looked at the scouting reports for Jevon Kearse and DeMarcus Ware and they talked about how the guy was strong for a lean frame and played with great leverage as a pass rusher. You can't use finesse on the edge of the defense. If you can't set the edge in the run game everything is going to break down from there and nobody thinks Mingo can set the edge. I mean, nobody.
I'm sure if Rex had a say in the decision he would take Ziggy Ensah at 9. Rex loves guys who can play the run first and the pass 2nd. The real question is does Rex opinion even matter at this point?
I'm starting to have big concerns about all of these pass rushers. I know we need one but they all seem to have issues. I'm on the Tavon Austin band wagon.
Yup all of them have some issue Ziggy- doesn't really have any moves, tough to take a player at 9 who hasn't played 2 or 3 seasons. Really would rather have 25 or so games to watch. Jarvin Jones- Too small, not fast enough, spinal cord potential issue. His tape is great but his size and speed combo is concerning. Mingo- he's a freak athlete that is more of a track star then a pass rusher. NFL pass rushers have to win at the point of contact. Jordan- Everyone seems to love him but he's another guy with a wierd body. He's going to need to get up 260+ to be effective in the NFL. He looks like Jeff Cumberland playing OLB. I don't think any of these guys are a sure thing.
