We have to find a way to keep Revis at any cost. You build a championship team around players that are the best at what they do at their position. Does any one deny that is who Revis is. Trade the rest of the team if you have to, but keep Revis!!!!
How about how Aaron Rodgers, Drew Brees, Matt Ryan, Colin Kaepernick, Russel Wilson, ect were never declared prospects among the likes of Peyton Manning and Andrew Luck? I guess drafting those such kind of prospects are the only way to win a superbowl, right? You know, since among the two, they only have one superbowl win. Yeah, we should definitely wait until 2017 to attempt to draft our future QB... Some of the things you say really make me question your grip on reality.
I never said to take a QB with the 13th pick in this draft and put him up against the legend of Revis. I said to get MULTIPLE picks and use that until we're able to land a QB for the future. Without the extra picks, it becomes difficult to select a QB this season in round 2 or 3. I mean we can, but like I said in my other post the chances of this QB panning is out slim. But you never know. Then because we have multiple picks next season take another QB. With multiple picks you allow yourself to take chances on selecting the one position that can turn around this franchise in hurry. Turning Revis into a middle linebacker, wr or offensive lineman won't mean shit unless we have a really good QB going forward. The trade of Revis gives us multiple opportunities to find that player. If we have to trade the 13th pick (if we get the pick this season) for multiple picks then all the better. The more chances we have to select a QB the greater our odds at finding one that will eventually stick. And if this eventual QB happens to get drafted because of the picks we get from the Revis trade, I would hope he is mentally tough enough not to get swayed by the legend of Revis. If he does, then he's Mark Sanchez part 2 and in 3 years we'll be looking for a new QB. In today's NFL it begins at QB.
The thing is will treat our guys like Rodgers, Brees, Ryan, Kaepernick, Wilson, etc were or do we have to pray they're talented enough to just be good Geno Smith like I said can be Aaron Rodgers if we develop him right but who knows if the coaching staff and GM can do such
Any QB, whether they are Andrew Luck or Geno Smith has to be handled the right way and groomed in a correct manor. It doesnt matter if they are the most talented QB in a decade... A rookie isnt going to overcome coaching and poor players around him. Sooner or later we are going to have to take a shot on a QB, and we are going to have to have faith in the new regime (Idzik) to learn from the decades of past failure in the Jets' history. If we wait and wait until we are in position to draft an Andrew Luck, 10 years might pass... and thats if we are lucky. And to be quite honest, what you are suggesting (waiting 3-4 years to get some QB prospect) is extremely unrealistic. Woody is a man that wants people in his seats... Football is a "what have you done for me lately" sport. Theres no way he or the organization could deal with multiple years of putting a horrible product on the field and having no hope at the QB position.
It looks like the Bucs are trying to trade CB Eric Wright and if they find no suitors they may release him. My guess is that this is likely a precursor move to a trade for Revis. http://sports.yahoo.com/news/report-buccaneers-trying-trade-cb-174018397--nfl.html
Is that a NFL rule or something specific negotiated into his contract? I'm seeing now that if he's cut then the dead money is zero. http://overthecap.com/teamcap.php?Team=Buccaneers&Year=2013
I'm pretty sure he got no bonus when signed, accepting guaranteed salaries in 2012 and 2013 instead. Then the drug suspension wiped out the guarantees so now he has no hit moving forward since he got no bonus and the guaranteed 2013 salary is no longer guaranteed.
no you don't, because no team could ever be able to afford the best players at their position at every position. you need the best possible players at their position based on the amount of cap space you have to pay all of your players. but if the best player at a position costs so much that it reduces your ability to sign competent players at other positions, than the team can benefit by not having that great player and spreading that cost around more players. that raises the question of whether the CB position warrants such a high cost that it could prevent the ability to accrue talent at other positions? if that answer is no, than you don't pay Revis whatever it costs.
I'm not sure any position warrants paying whatever it takes to keep the player. The best argument is obviously at QB but even then you're asking that QB to do an awful lot on his own when you can't afford a bunch of good players around him. I think Seattle went 11-5 last year because they had a really good defense and they had a good QB playing for peanuts on the other side of the ball. Obviously if Russell Wilson is making $5M a year as the 1 pick instead of under a million as a third rounder there's a depressing effect on the Seahawks talent levels. If he's on his second contract making $14M a year, well that's a real load to have to carry.
Idzik should hold out for the 13th pick at all costs, get another 2013 mid-round pick as well as a 2014 2nd rounder. That's the only way I can justify trading a player of Revis' caliber. Realistically, he may be worth even more than that, and the Bucs know it. I think they will eventually break down and give it up, and if they don't, there are worst situations than having to lock Revis up long term, which I still wouldn't mind as a first choice. With the draft picks we get, we should draft CB Dee Milliner and G Chance Warmack if we can. What a coup that would be! That's my two cents anyways..
The premise of your post is that such additional money as would available if the Jets were not paying Revis would be well spent. To my mind the cap problem with the team is not whether the best player gets too much of the space if he is paid at the market rate. The real problem with the Jets is too many overpaid and underperforming players taking up cap space. That situation in turn developed because the Jets paid for players with the hope of future performance rather than based on a real track record. In short it is not Revis that is the main cap problem, but people like Sanchez, all the players from last year who have been cut who were clearly overpaid, like Scott, Pace, Thomas and others. In the middle somewhat are players like Holmes, who of course had a track record at Pitt, but who remains somewhat in the hoped for future performance since he's never had a good enough Qb to work with here, and at this point frankly no one knows if he's still got it in him because it ahs been so long since he did. Even Harris is problematic, since he has not turned out to be the high quality LB everyone sort of expected him to be. The history of the Jets does not inspire confidence in their ability to identify where money should be spent on players who will hopefully show they are worth the money in the future. The history of the Jets also shows them giving up on players who excelled elsewhere, like Keyshawn, Abrahams, Douglas, Farrior, McKenzie, even Kerry Rhodes still has it. Meanwhile they tout draft picks and then give mediocre players too much money, like Sanchez. I have little confidence the Jets will get compensation for Revis and turn it into a roster that is better than before he would leave it. In fact as a practical matter I have no confidence that will happen. And it is no answer to say the overpaid player issue is all on Tanny, either. Woody is still the owner, the scouts are still the same, and Idzy is no more than an unknown factor in this process going forward. I would certainly be among those who blamed Tanny for screwing things up, but that does not mean we can safely count on Idzy to do better. But... I do have some optimism. The longer it goes by that Revis has not been dealt makes me think even if he eventually will be dealt, that it will not be a fire sale at fire sale prices. That is the cause for some optimism.
I couldn't agree more. We shouldn't rush to trade Revis, just to get it done. There is no reason not to demand higher value and see what happens. Worse comes to worst, the Jets have to keep him. I wouldn't mind that at all. So far I like Izzy's style.
The option is not trade Revis or lock him up long term - it's trade him or lose him after next season because we won't be able to compete with the offers he'll get as a free agent. Also, I don't know if the Jets could draft a cornerback with a pick they received in a trade for Revis. He would be labelled as 'the guy the Jets gave up Revis for' and that would be an albatross around his neck his entire career.
of course it isn't a matter of whether Revis is worth x in isolation, but is he worth x in regards to the salary cap situation that exists. that is why you need a great GM who hands out the right contracts so when you have to resign a player you can pay him what he is worth without gutting your team to do so.
Per PFT http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...t-look-like-the-destination-for-brent-grimes/ Free agent cornerback Brent Grimes has long been viewed as the Plan B for the Buccaneers if they don’t consummate Plan A, which is a trade with the Jets to acquire Darrelle Revis. But Plan B may have just gone out the window. According to Rick Stroud of the Tampa Bay Times, it doesn’t look like Grimes is going to be a Buccaneer. Stroud attributes that report to “someone with knowledge of the situation” and suggests that the Dolphins or the Browns are more likely landing spots for Grimes. Most of the cornerbacks who were available when free agency started two weeks ago have been snapped up, and Grimes may be the best still out there. So if Grimes is the Bucs’ Plan B, there may not be a very good option for Plan C. Which means the Bucs may be turning their attention back to Plan A, trading for Revis. We may be able to fleece them after all.
This is what Peter King wrote on his Monday Morning Qb column about Revis. I think I still wouldn't trade Darrelle Revis if I were the Jets. And I think New York GM John Idzik will try to find a way to not trade Revis. But in the end, I believe he'll go to Tampa Bay for two high draft choices sometime before draft day. If Revis must go, get a one and two next year. Free advice, Idzik. Read More: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/nf...ing-monday-morning-quarterback/#ixzz2Ob7R4nvq
I'm not suggestion we wait 3 or 4 years I was joking to be honest about Keller Chryst getting "The Next Andrew Luck" comparisons anyway I want Geno Smith at 9 and the only other quarterbacks I'd be happy with are Matt Barkley and maybe Tyler Wilson
I'm trying to figure out whether King actually communicated anything with those words or if he just typed something out when he was high on crystal meth.
For Idzik to even be thinking trade he probably told Revis what the Jets can afford 2014 and beyond and Revis said FU.
