Been a fan for over 20 years. Just because I have a positive outlook doesn't mean I haven't been a fan long. Isn't it shocking? There are actually jets fans out there who look forward to each season in hopes of success. How strange!
So you were like 5 years old during the Kotite era and just started to understand football when Parcells took over. Bravo. Give it another 15-20 years of pull the hair out of your head football and we'll see how cheery you are.
Do you think the Jets are just doomed as an organization? Are we cursed? Will we continue to struggle as long as Woody is our owner? What is it? I'm not as optimistic as Falco but I'm looking forward to what Idzik can put together. Until he does something to break that cautious optimism (like trading up for Geno or drafting Glennon/Barkley at the 9), I will remain hopefull and optimistic in the long run (though I am fairly certain the jets will not be competitive in 2013.) Being a SOJF is just a foolish as being a naive optimist, IMO, even if you have the past to back you up. Kotite isn't running things anymore.
I was responding to this post from Falco... Like you, I am taking the wait and see approach. If you've been following what I've been writing about since last season then you would know I wanted us to blow it up and begin to rebuild this season. I have wanted Sanchez gone since 2011. I want Rex gone after this season. So yes I am negative, negative about Rex Ryan, Mark Sanchez and almost every player on this roster. I feel we've gone as far as we can go with this present bunch and it's time to go in a new direction. That's not being pessimistic, that's dealing with reality! Falco lives in fantasy land. That is what I object to because those are the types of fans that lead to organizations becoming complacent. One thing I really like about Woody is that he isn't afraid to go in a different direction if he feels the present course is the wrong one. One thing I hate about Woody is that he's allowed the organization to become a circus. Too many leaks to the media and nobody standing up and being accountable to the fans. Tannenbaum did somewhat, but he really was very difficult to listen to. And Rex is in la la land when it comes to accountability. Actually you could say I'm somewhat positive right now because it looks like Idzik is making big changes to the roster. But eventually like all teams that are rebuilding you will need to find a really good QB. And that is why I want us to tank this season.
The Jets are in a better place right now, with all the hassles, than the Patriots were before they got Brady, than the Falcons were before they got Ryan, than the Saints were before they got Brees. It really does come down to getting a prime QB. None of those teams were playing as well as the Jets did from 2008 to 2011 at the time they found their QB. People forget that the immortal Bill Belichik with Bob Kraft standing right behind him went 5-11 in 2000, the year before the dynasty began. The Falcons went 8-8, 7-9, 4-12, woah we got a QB! The Saints went 8-8, 8-8, 3-13 and then Brees came to town and things picked up some. There are a few organizations in football that are just run much better than the average team. The Jets are not on the plane of those teams but they are run better than the average team none the less. The formula the Jets used just got old and worn out and now they've gone looking for something more effective. If they find the QB we'll be very happy. Even if we don't find him for awhile we're going to be better than the average organization in the NFL.
Honestly all it takes is striking gold and finding your franchise QB There are a ton of guys being over looked in the draft who can be that guy, it all depends on if they fall into our laps because honestly who thought Flacco would be what he was for Baltimore, Kaepernick to San Francisco, Wilson to Seattle, and Dalton to Cincinnati
I agree, though missing on a 2nd or 3rd rounder with a Qb pick is a big deal, worse than, say, picking a wide receiver who underperforms but can still be a starter. Missing on a Qb makes the pick worthless, but the reward is unimaginably greater than any other position. Do you have any Qbs in mind?
it depends honestly on how we develop a guy, example Geno Smith- compares his game to Aaron Rodgers and I see a ton of Rodgers in him but are we going to develop him into the next Rodgers or do we shit the bed and turn him into Aaron Brooks Mike Glennon- Joe Flacco like potential but do we poorly develop into another Charlie Whitehurst Tyler Wilson- Prototype QB, Brett Favre, Jay Cutler type but we can end up with Trent Edwards Matt Barkley- a ton of potential but the USC stigma attached to him along with him lacking a big arm might make us hesitate but I think he's going to be a top 10 quarterback one day, he can be Elite if we develop him right but I doubt it happens Zac Dysert- another guy with potential in the WCO but again do we invest in him and make him THE guy 1. Geno Smith 2. Matt Barkley 3. Zac Dysert 4. Tyler Wilson 5. Mike Glennon in order of how I think they'd fit but I really want either Geno Smith in 2013 Johnny Manziel in 2014 Marcus Mariota in 2015 if we fail to get our hands on a legit QB prospect I wouldn't mind dealing with stop gaps until we sell the farm to get Keller Chryst whenever the hell he's eligible 2017 or 2018
Fouts, Tarkenton, Marino, Moon were all franchise QB's and none ever won a superbowl. It takes a lot more than just finding a franchise QB and I don't see a franchise QB in this draft anyway. Yes, it is possible to get lucky but in all probability it would be a wasted draft pick.
How else are we going to get a franchise qb? Plus, we're probably going to be there anyway at this point. Some people are ranking us as a four win team, only better than that Jags. Plus if we get the Bucs first and second next year even if we finish a bit higher we can trade up to nab one. If you have a better idea on how to get a franchise qb I'm all ears.
First of all it doesn't matter what some people rank us as. secondly, sucking is always a shitty plan. third just because a player is drafted early in rd 1 has very little to do w/whether they become a franchise qb or anything else - there have been many many more busts drafted in the top of the draft than there have been franchise qbs. for every ryan luck there are many ryan leafs. Thus it is an idiotic plan based upon dumb pessimism.
Check. Check. QB's taken in the top 3 since the salary cap era began: 1993 - Drew Bledsoe, Rick Mirer 1994 - Heath Shuler 1995 - Steve McNair 1998 - Peyton Manning, Ryan Leaf 1999 - Tim Couch, Donovan McNabb, Akili Smith 2000 - Michael Vick 2002 - David Carr, Joey Harrington 2003 - Carson Palmer 2004 - Eli Manning 2005 - Alex Smith 2006 - Vince Young 2007 - Jamarcus Russell 2008 - Matt Ryan 2009 - Matthew Stafford 2010 - Sam Bradford 2011 - Cam Newton 2012 - Andrew Luck, Reggie Griffin III Bombing for Bridgewater is a horrible plan at this point. It's 80% likely to fail even if we get Teddy Bridgewater. Why? Because what's important in whether or not a QB succeeds is not strictly the talent level of the QB. It's also the quality of the organization that is raising him. Top 3 QB picks go to really bad teams and that's why the players fail so often. Look at that list and the only picks that stand out are Steve McNair, Donovan McNabb, the Manning brothers and Matt Ryan. There are a few others that might stand out when we look back in a decade. BTW, if you're on the list above and your name is not Manning you have not won a Super Bowl.
Your QB of the future is already on the roster. Get used to it. And FWIW write it down now.Geno Smith, is the next QB taken too early, and set up to fail. Thank God, that Buffalo picks at 8.
I like when people can tear down a plan of action without providing their own. Here's what I know: we aren't a playoff team this year, we don't have a franchise qb, we might have the Bucs first and second next year, Bridgewater and Manziel are already considered by many to be starting qb calibre. Odds are we'll be picking in the top five next year. Based on what? We're picking 9th this year and have actually lost talent. Anyone who thinks we'll be better next year needs their heads examined. You can look back as far as you like but this league is about the right now and trends now. Right now it's a qb driven league, drafting your qb and going for it. I don't think too many Colts fans are upset they got Luck or Redskins fans within RG3 even though those seasons probably sucked.
Heres the effing plan. Get your number five overall, a decent Offensive Coordinator, and depth at the skill positions, so you arent trotting out Gates,Gilyard and zrueland. Stop using. 4 plus second pass plays, thereby inhibitong his penchant for bad decisions. 3 seconds and out, no Tebow on second down. Win some games.
