That analysis, again, sounds fine, but only as far as it goes. The problem is more in the area of hte compensation another team will be willing to offer when they really don't know how healthy Revis will be. That will become more clear as time goes by. In addition, with Revis not under a contract, teams will offer less, much less in fact. Of course a contract could be negotiated, but that is at this juncture far from clear whether it will be. In short, time is the element that argues against a purely cap driven decision.
If Revis is willing to sign with TB at $12 mil, and the Jets trade him without trying to negotiate a similar deal with him, I predict much hell will break loose, and it will not be pretty.
Ok, a little research got me this: In 2010, he was signed to a 6 year $18 Million dollar contract. That $18 Million was spread over the cap from 2011-2016, essentially $3 Million per year. $6 Million has already hit the cap in 2011 and 2012, leaving $12 Million over the next 4 seasons. $3 Million of that orginial signing bonus will hit our cap this year regardless of a trade or not, so the question is if Idzik would rather take the remaining $9 Million hit in 2013 or 2014. The overall goal of this trade would be to decide when that $9 Million should hit our cap. We could take the hit this year and trade for picks in 2014, which should be our MAJOR year of putting a playoff team on the field, or we can save it for 2014, but rolloer $9 Million to use when it hits us in 2014. This is where Idzik earns his money.
We're going to have to pay the revis bill at some point. If someone offers a good trade it may be best to just take the medicine this year.
Problem is if he signs for that he'll almost certainly hold out in 2 years for more money...he's done it before and don't see why he wouldn't do it again. In essence yes you are correct. But there needs to be a long term vision and given the state of the franchise we can't be held hostage by a player who while is dominant at his position, could have that salary allocated to other key building block positions to create a better TEAM.
It's hilarious to me that people think signing a cornerback coming off injury that will be on the downside of his prime by the time we're relevant to a 12 MILLION DOLLAR A YEAR CONTRACT is a good idea. This is why the Jets fanbase gets the reputation it gets.
@TurkJetFan, I agree with what you are saying. If TB is willing to give a second this year and a one next year I would have to pull the trigger and let it happen. Im sure there are more picks in there I did not mention but you get the idea.
He did it before because Tanny had promised him a deal and did not live up to his promise. You have no basis for saying what he will do in the future if a contract extension is properly worded and fair. On the team allocation issue, I know of no team that in essence pays their whole roster close to an average salary. Every team has some highly paid players, others more in the middle, and others who are closer to the league minimum. Revis making $12 mil a year does not prevent the Jets from having a very good team. And of course I fundamentally disagree that other than Qb there are other positions that are significantly more important than your #1 Cb.
If the Jets get even a mid pack Qb instead of the albatross around their neck that Mark Sanchez is, and with cap space cleared up by 14, the Jets could be competitive in 14, and certainly can be by 15. Revis will still be in his prime for several more years. Your premises are all wrong.
As to why trade him now and take the bigger cap hit, the answer is simple - the team is likely not very good next year (especially w/o Revis) so take your medicine now rather than hamstringing yourself with a bigger hit in 2014. I know that this is very un-Jet like thinking. Idzik needs to build for the future and needs quantity as much as quality so I don't really care much if the first rounder is this year or next, but I think we need to shoot for THREE picks. A first and a second this year and next, in either order, and a conditional pick in 2014 or 2015. Could go as high as a first rounder for a resigned, all-pro Revis to as low as a 6th for a "never quite made it back from injury" Revis.
So you want the Jets to just find a middle of the pack QB, pluck one out of nowhere (I hope you didn't mean draft one this year or 2014 and expect them to be competitive in 2014...) and have cap space by 2014? And that's YOUR premise for wanting to keep Revis? :lol:
Mevi$ did what he did, not because of Tanny, but because of Sean Fucking Gilbert. Grow a clue man. Tannys mistake, regarding Revis...was trading up to get him...without realizing his closest advisor was Gilbert. PS. You build teams from the ball out, and in a 3/4 the OLBs are far more important than the corners. As is the RB. AND THE LEFT TACKLE. So, now that youve admitted that you fundamentally misunderstand the game of football, at least try to confine your answered to less than four paragraphs of dog shit
Things change very quickly in the NFL. If the Jets continue to play good defense, while moving the offense up from last to middle of the pack, they can be competitive relatively soon. Make the offense good while continuing to play good defense, and they would be in the mix again. That doesn't have to take 3 years plus..
I want the Jets to have a better Qb than Sanchez. A hold the fort guy like Kolb (or Orton who I think the Jets should try to trade for) has the upside potential to be a mid pack Qb. There will be cap space for other pieces of the puzzle next year. And ftr you are too easily amused.
Eggzactlee. The Jets have been badly hampered by Qb play. We all are aware that many starters were cut from last year's D, but other than Landry and to some extent De Vito and Bell, they were not real contributors. The D still has the core of Cro, Wilkerson, Harris and I guess we can add Coples, and if Revis stays, add a decent pair of safeties and this could be a D even better than last year's. With Holmes back and upgrades at OG and RB, all that can be reasonably accomplished this off season and next, the Jets could well go to the playoffs in 14 with a decent Qb.
That's a fair point, that's why I'm fine if we pass on trading Revis, then use the low market for CBs as a negotiating point to resign Revis. I'm part of the camp, that yeah if some team wants to be foolish and we get TB first this and next year, send Revis away. But if no team is going to blow us away, hold onto Revis, show him the low market, and renegogtiate.
Yep. That's it pretty much. It's one thing as many have said here to say that IF Revis was really going to get $16 mil or more from some other team, and IF that team is willing to give the Jets a first this year and next, that you make that move if you are Idzy. It's quite another to accept a scenario where Revis can be signed to $12 mil by someone else - imo a very fair number - and the Jets only get a second for him. THat would be a terrible deal for the Jets. Even if they get a first it's still a bad deal. Well, it ain't over til it's over, and perhaps that info is incorrect on the $12 mil figure.
