I'd prefer Dion Jordan. He does need to gain some muscle mass, but he had the most fluid motion in space as a 3-4 OLB prospect;, dare I say, the best in this year's crop. Ziggy Ansah was a close second - he's coming in with huge potential. Moore was showing good movement but he seems to get lost when the offense plays misdirection plays. Looked somewhat sluggish in space as well. Werner, I don't know. Wasn't he 4-3 DE for the seminoles? I wouldn't know how he will translate into 3-4 OLB frankly.
Yes, Werner was the 4-3 DE, and your right im not sure how he would translate to that position so Werner might not be the best fit, but he is still going to be a very good player for whoever picks him.
Another Pulled Hammy for Moore.... Maybe his running the forty from the combine is reasoning. But it also could mean lack of preparation which I think is more of the cause. He tested out better in the bench with 19 reps. So that shows he probably didnt take it as serious as he should of
I think you very well could be wrong on that last point. If it was simply a lack of preparation, he would not improve 7 reps over a week or so. I think it was more likely either a physical problem, such as dehydration or an illness, or perhaps over training that lead to nagging injury and fatigue. One does not just about double thier reps that quickly, unless the are getting some outside "help"
Yes very true it is hard to increase your workout in such a short span... Maybe he did go to the HGH fountain of youth.... One thing is for sure is that Hamstring will be a season long injury
I think he is trying too hard to impress, the report was that he dropped 10pounds to run a faster 40, but it hurt him in other areas, so he goes back to his normal weight and it helps him with the pro day bench reps, but it hurts him in other areas. He needs to accept himself for what he is a 260 OLB with good strength, who needs to refine his game a little more. Few are the guys who come into the NFL with a complete package. I think Burfinct who now plays for the Bengals had a terrible combine and pro day, but the tape showed him to be a good player with the physical and mental ability to play the game. I think he will fall to the Jets and he will have enough time to heal the hamstring, unless someone else falls to them, like Ansah or dion Jordan, I would not be upset if he were a jet.
Kerley is one of the better slot recievers IMO and he will only get better. Hill, Davis, Ellis all have a chance at being above average, hill has a lot of potentionall. You can't base a guys career off one season. It takes a few years for a lot of players to devolp into the player they can be
"Kerley is one of the better slot receivers"? Are you kidding? Let's look around the NFL - Wes Welker, Victor Cruz, Randall Cobb, Lance Moore, Kendall Wright, Devone Bess, Cecil Shorts, Percy Harvin, Demaryius Thomas, Danny Amendola, etc push Kerley to below average. Don't forget Kerley led the NFL in fair catches this year after Westhoff got tired of his fumbles & poor judgements on punt returns. Stephen Hill might have a future if he can figure out how to catch the ball, but as of now he's a bust. Davis showed nothing. Ellis showed very little. Our 4 years of drafting during Rex's time have been a disaster. Could these guys improve? I sure hope so!
The Jets really need a hit on the 9. They can't swing and miss there. That puts Moore and Mingo and Patterson on very weak ground on the pick. Jordan and Jones are more solid. The third LT if he drops to the pick is very solid. Geno Smith is a bit of a risk but the payoff if he's good is much higher than any of the other risks. Ideally the Jets trade down some and get another pick or two out of the deal and then all the risks look a bit more stable. Taking Moore on the 15 with a 3rd and 4th added to the Jets draft is much less risky than taking him on the 9.
Most of those guys that you named have elite quarterbacks and offenses. Kerley has Sanchez throwing him the ball and no one else around him. You can't label Hill as a bust after one season. Jets drafted him knowing he was a project and would take time to develop. I'd say give him two more seasons and then you can label him what you want. Davis didn't have the oppurtunity to show much, Rex decided to play Scott because Rex is loyal to his vets. We will see what Davis has this season. Ellis played pretty well wore the injuries and at times flashed as a dominate force. Hopefully he stays healthy this year and we can see the total package, he too was drafted as a project along with ducasse. I agree tho that Rex needs to step out of the draft room unless its a dlineman and let our scouts and gm take control of the draft.
Agreed that Kerley didn't have the QBs the other slot receivers had (I left out Crabtree & others). He was also our best & most reliable receiver. But that eloquently says how bad our receivers were in 2012. The main jobs of a WR are 1) run the correct route 2) get open & 3) catch the ball. Once Holmes was hurt and before we got Edwards, Kerley was the only guy on the team who could do all 3 tasks. The slot receiver is a dynamic position & other teams have great weapons there. Kerley at best is a journeyman by comparison. About the others, I think Ducasse has all the physical qualities he needs for the OL - he runs very well and is strong as an ox. English is not his first language - maybe he could use an interpreter to explain the offense in French? D. Davis, in his limited time, seemed to have no idea of the defense, just running around & getting nowhere. K.Ellis flashed + down in goal-line situations, but otherwise disappeared. With his legal problems behind him, perhaps we can expect more production. S. Hill is a project, I agree, with lots of potential. A WR who doesn't have catching skills is like trying to teach the cha-cha to a guy who's tone deaf, with 2 left feet.
I have just become a big Kerley fan and is one of my favorite players on the team. Lmao at the hill joke. Hill has the potential but just needs to make the catches when the ball hits him in the hands. I think with a better system and better qb he will strive. He is very raw, he also needs to go up for the ball at the point of attack instead of waiting on it and catching it with his body. But he was open a lot but Sanchez couldn't get him the ball. He also had a lot on his plate after Holmes was hurt.
Not sure how this turned into a Kerley debate but.... Kerley currently suffers from the same perception problem Cotchery did while he was here. Because he is a Jets player many Jets fans over rate him. He is a decent slot receiver and a decent punt returner. He is not a special talent, but an average NFL receiver. I'm not saying he's bad, just that I would not pass over a dynamic talent because it cuts into his playing time.
This turned into a Kerley debate because I stated that in our 4 years of drafting since Rex became HC, we have drafted only one player who is above the average NFL starter at his position, i.e. Mo Wilkerson. Of the remainder, only Coples has a ceiling that high. A Kerley fan disagreed with me. In the 3 drafts under Mangini (2006-8) we drafted 7 outstanding players - Revis, Ferguson, Mangold, Keller, Leon Washington, Brad Smith & David Harris. One hit in 4 years vs seven hits in 3 years! Keep Rex out of the draft room in this most critical year.
Yes we need to stop lol this is supposed to be abou Moore not Kerley, but I agree that mangina era had way better draft picks then Rex
If you want to target Mangini vs Rex, you need to look at the entire story. Mangini was reportedly the guy who was most in favor of Gholston. He was also in the quality over quanity years, where we traded tons of picks that left us with little depth. Also, Mangini benefited from very high picks, he came into two first rounders in 2006 from previous dealings, and left the squad with no starting caliber QB which would lead to perhaps the biggest draft miss of the Rex/Tanny Era. If your going to count part time Players like Washington and Smith you need to count the Part time guys after. In Rex's first draft the team moved up twice, mainly becasue Tanny was still pulling the strings and deemed Sanchez worth a top 5 pick and the scouting staff had Greene as the top RB on thier board. True right now Mo is the only pro bowl caliber player drafted in the last few years, but that Discounts getting players like Coples, Wilson, and Kerley all who have played a prominent role for us. Wilson Started every game after revis went down last year and we still finished 8th in passing D. Add in couples Wilson and Kerley and you count is now 7 to 4. Alot closer with much less trading of depth for targetign certin players. We now enter an era where those young depth guys like Ducasse, Hill (whom rex was against drafting), and Davis are about to get thier chance. We'll know much more on them this year. Fianlly, keep in mind its the same scouting staff through all of this. its not as if the head coach is the only one in the room.
Today, whenever I read anything about Coples Pro Day, it mentions how much time Rex spent with him & how Rex couldn't tire him out. Does anybody remember if that kind of info published before last year's draft? Honestly, I didn't try google up anything involving Rex & Coples before last year's draft so I've got no comparison right now. With the lack of information on Rex & DaMontre Moore, I'm wondering if Rex was not impressed with the guy. The best I can come up with concerning Rex visit to DaMontre Moore is articles blandly stating Rex Ryan and Raiders coach Dennis Allen were there. http://www.dallasnews.com/sports/co...m-pro-day-but-how-did-damontre-moore-fare.ece btw, Swopes is looking even better (his stock should be rising again it seems).
I thought that stuff came out post draft. Once we picked him, Rex shed a little light on why he wanted Coples. Probably because he was fielding work ethic questions. I could be wrong though.
