Obviously every Jets fan would love if Mark just magically turned into a top 10 QB. Thats why we spent the 5th overall pick on him... Now, reality? There's about a .1% chance of that happening. That is why practically everyone on this board, aside from about 5 posters, dont support Mark anymore. Personally, I am sick of poor to mediocre QB play... I dont care who is playing QB, where they are drafted, what color their skin is... I just want a franchise QB for once. Mark isn't one. He may turn around and improve because of the system, but he's not magically turning into a player that you can build an organization around. Time to move on. Then we are called the worst fanbase for what? Being "impatient"? He's going into year 5 and has consistently been at the bottom of the league. How about those who bash Sparano and say he hurt Sanchez? Was that premature and impatient? Because he had to deal with one of the least talented offenses in the league (including QB), but he lost his job after one season... Now Im not saying he's a quality coach, but its a two way street. There's many reasons to call tis fanbase the worst, but wanting Sanchez gone is not one of them.
We are the worst b/c we give up on players and coaches too quickly. 2 years ago rex was the best, now most want him gone. 2 years ago Sanchez helped us reach 2 title games, now we want him gone like we wanted Chad gone, Herm gone, Vinny gone, etc... We want the QB that puts up great fantasy #s, we'd rather have a Philip Rivers type b/c most don't actually watch him play but if we actually had Rivers we'd run him out of town too.
Luck stepped in and carried a bunch of mid round picks to the playoffs as a rookie. Russel Wilson carried that Seattle offense, albiet with a very good RB in Lynch. RG3 made his team extremely dynamic and almost single handedly made Alfred Morris one of the top rushers in the NFL. There's more than a few in the NFL who elevate the players around him in the NFL now... And a good amount of them are young players.
Andrew Luck I forgot about. Russel Wilson not so much - great offensive scheme and game-plan, he's a good player, but I don't see him as a guy that can take a bunch of scrubs and make them better all around. He hasn't made his WRs that much better. Offensive line is pretty legit and so is Lynch. Plus he had an amazing defense as well. RG3 is a fantastic player, I agree - we can put him in that spot, I am suspect because Shanahan always produced 1000 yard rushers year in and year out. Selvin Young for example. We can put RG3 in this convo tho Peyton, Brees, Brady, Luck, Rodgers, RG3 can take a bunch of shit and make it work. Not to mention for extended periods of time. That's not to say they aren't special talents, they make plays, but I don't see them improving the team all around. Only 6 QBs out of 31 teams in the NFL. It's a rare talent to have
Sanchez not only does not put up fantasy numbers, but he doesnt put up actual numbers on the score boards. 7 times this season we put up 10 or less points on the board... Thats not good at all- you arent winning games that way. Simply by watching a game you can tell that he is no longer a quality QB. Sure, 2 years ago he showed signs. Even after last season I was one of his biggest supporters, but after this season and seeing that his end to 2011 wasnt a fluke, I've had enough. When is enough enough? Now, I understand that we may stick with him this year because of the cap situation and the lack of quality options, but its time that we stop calling him our franchise QB and the future- he has to earn that. I think the entire organization realizes that. Rex is noncommittal with Sanchez because he knows he has regressed and his job lies in the balance. I dont think many would be jumping on the Phillip Rivers bandwagon... Sure, some may like the idea because he's an upgrade, but he would definitely not be the future of the organization and merely just a stopgap. The major thing I see, is that you can in fact form a different opinion on someone in a two year time period... Players change, people change, the league changes... Some for the better, some for the worse. Sanchez has definitely changed for the worse; almost to a point where there's no return.
a bunch of mid rd picks like Reggie Wayne? has Sanchez ever had a Reggie Wayne? and how did he do in the playoffs? didn't lead his team to a TD or to even be competitive- how did Mark do in his first playoff game? I'm not saying he is as good as Luck, I think Luck will be a great player but to act like he took a bunch of no talent schlubs to the playoffs is incorrect. if he had his #1 be Kerley, 2 schilens, gates, Cumberland, Reuland he would have been no better than 6-10 too. This season was his first w/ a losing record. He HAD NO HELP. Again, no one is scoring w/ Kerley as a #1 WR, w/ Chaz Schilens a #2, Clyde Gates getting major PT(he couldn't even make Miami's roster!), Cumberland and reuland. I'm not saying we should get Rivers or could but if we had him all those that love him would bash him when they see how awful he is in big games.
Dang it, I am trying to remain positive about our qb situation but come on. I was there on Monday night at the biggest stage of football on Monday night when Sanchez shit the bed royally with 5 turnovers. It was embarassing. The opposing fans apologized for winning the game. Hell Rex wasn't even watching the game, I was 4 rows up on our sideline and I saw it. Mark is done. He has nothing. To support him is really a troll move on this site.
He had Reggie Wayne and that's it. Literally. Everyone else was a complete unknown. Their starting RB for most of the season was Vick Ballard... Their offensive line made ours look outstanding. Reggie Wayne was looked at as a receiver past his prime and most definitely on the down side of his career entering last year. Lets not make him out to be Reggie Wayne of old. He had a great year, and a lot of that had to do with who was at QB. Luck also had one of the worst defenses in the league, and his HC was out for most of the season with cancer. Sanchez had the luxury of a top 3 defense, a very good run game and OLine and one of the best STs for the majority of his career. He never amounted to what Luck did in his rookie year... Now I dont want to make a Luck vs Sanchez argument, because that not what this thread is about. In reality though, its not even an argument. Im pretty sick of this "he had no help" bull... Yes, its pretty clear that his supporting class this year was pretty bad. Does that completely make last year and his atrocious play and leadership null and void? Hell no. Ill leave you with this video, its really all that has to be said. [YOUTUBE]YAZ9bSijSlQ[/YOUTUBE]
He doesnt have to make everyone around him better. He just has to not completely suck and "accelerate the down". He has to show some sign of hope for the future. No one is asking or expecting him to be a top 5 QB, but top 20/15 as a veteran? Yes.
He can't get there with 3rd rate coaching and 3rd rate talent on the field with him. There isn't a QB who could have been successful in that situation last year. Plus, you can't discount the distraction that Tebow was. I can't quantify it because I wasn't there, but it clearly was a distraction. Sanchez was put in about as bad a situation going into last year as you could. We've all seen the good in Sanchez and we've seen the bad. With no other clear alternative (and I really doubt there will be one by Opening Day) we will get one more chance to get the good Sanchez. Personally, I will bet on Mark if they surround him with some talent. I get why so many of you guys are down on him, I really do. But I still believe Mark can get the job done.
How could Sanchez possibly be that distracted by Tebow. There was ZERO chance of him winning the starting job. Imagine if we had a real capable backup QB behind him, he might have shit his pants. As for the situation last year, it was bad. However, I bet you a mediocre QB (15-25) would have gotten us to eight wins. A good one gets us to 10. Maybe we make it to the playoffs, but we would not have collapsed in the last three games of the season. Sanchez could barely get us six (and he was benched for one of those wins). The guy inspires no confidence in me that he can lead our team somewhere. If he starts next season, he will be pulled. And it will be WAY before he has a chance of fucking our season up.
If it was reggie Wayne and that's it that's a damn good place to start and much better than anything we had. Put Wayne on our team for 16 games this year and I guarantee Mark plays a million times better. Ballard averaged 3.9 YPC, our starting RB all year averaged 3.9 YPC so if Ballard sucks then does Greene also suck? Donnie Avery is a very talented WR, he had some injury problems but was coming on a few years ago. he was healthy this year and would have been the best WR on the Jets if he played for us. TY Hilton who was their 3rd WR would have been our best WR this year. he had more than enough talent to win, Luck played great for a rookie but he had help. If he was on our team last year he would have been awful w/ what we had around the QB. Luck's D was mediocre as was ours. In the rankings you can say Indy's D wasn't good but they made stops late in games to win unlike our supposed great Ds that would always blow it in the final minutes. I couldn't care less what Steve Young has to say, I won't even watch that video. I know Steve and any QB on the planet who has played the game understands what Mark went through and what he had to work w/ especially Steve who used the no talent excuse in tampa Bay before hopping on board a dynasty and becoming a top QB b/c of it. Thye bottom line is this- NO QB would have had success w/ our healthy talent last year. Does this mean Sanchez doesn't get any blame? of course not but it also doesn't mean we throw him out b/c some whiny fans want a new QB to bash. Our best chance for immediate and long term suiccess is to fix Mark so we don't have to waste more picks and $ in a new QB.
so if any of the top 5 QB's from 2012 were on the Jets they would have sunk all the way to 35th because they were throwing to Reuland, Gates, Schellins, Gilyard etc?
Nope just the Dolphin fans don't matter. What is you fascination with Sanchez if you are a Dolphins fan as you say you would want Sanchez starting because he sucks so bad. Why the vested interest in proving to all the jets fan that nacho sucks?
