Howard. Gilyard. Gates Reuhland. Holmes our. Hill out. Edwards not hired till late in the year, and gee....Sanchez played better. Coaching....Oline, Pass Catchers....yeah...no effect there. Even in week 11 he was under pressure constantly.
Thats cool. Yes, the coaching was bad and so was the talent around him, but when is the day that you are going to at least acknowledge the opposing argument and say that Sanchez regressed and part of the blame of his poor play was due to himself? No one is going to respect a single word you say until then.
See that's the thing. In his second year he had pocket awareness and poise. In his third year for better and worse he had Favre/Eli gunslinger in him. In his second year he avoided sacks very well (some of his biggest plays came off of him avoiding sacks). In his second year he avoided turnovers, in his third year he again had the gunslinger and knew how to get TDs in the RZ (thanks Moore). In his second year, he was much more mentally and physically tougher than he seems right now. You're basically argument the opposite extreme of Junc and Hobbes. They point to his year 2 and part of year 3 and yell "see that Sanchez is good" letting his past dictate how you view him now. You are going the opposite saying "look at him now" letting his present play dictate your opinion of him back then. Do we need to remember the HOU, DEN, DET, etc comebacks about his toughness or poise? How about the CLE game where he got beat up bad all game long and found a way stay in and eventually thanks to MAngini win and not tie it . What about walking into NE and playing the best game of his career? That's the potential and liek I said it's been a while. He was his most consistent then but still very inconsistent. Also year 3 is tough to judge but he was playing better for a while there. It was nice to see some crisp execution in the RZ from him and the offense. We can thank Tom Moore for that. Still that was there. Now again if you want argue the actual probability we get that back out of him, very low to 0 chance. If you want to argue potential, it was there. Did he have to do a lot for us in year 2, not really. Did he bail us out quite a bit, yep. Did he bail us out of some self created holes, yep. Did he played well enough on that team to get us one game of the SB, yep. Is it realistic to expect him to suddenly find that again, nope.
I don't think regressed is the right word. In previous seasons he was put in a position to not fail. But as the OLine degraded. He was never put in a position to succeed. Both scenarios lok the same on the surface, but context counts. He's clearly not careful enough with the football AT TIMES.... But skip weeks 1 and 11....go look at the Jacksonville tape....he's sabotaged by the players around him, and constantly under pressure....yet accurate, which is the general knock on him. With the gam on the line late, 3rd and 8 deep inhis own zone, he puts a laser over cumberlands shoulder in stride, to basically ice the game. Big time play, big time spot. And laxin FWIW, the front office apparently sees it my way, since they aren't seeking a replacement, but 2 FA jags to push him. I'll reiterate...he's earned the shot at playing for a decent OC. Regressed? Are you joking, he was one college year as a starter removed from starting in HS when he was drafted. That's on the organization, and when you go 5th overall, you should expect growing pains, especially when your drafts are d heavy.
LOL, what? How did the players around him sabotage him? The guy was able to make a passing play because we ran the ball like 50 times before (when the defense wasn't expecting it).
I strongly disagree. Sanchez has never had poise or pocket awareness. Actually his poise and pocket awareness has slightly improved the last two year with a few brief flashes of actual awareness stepping up in the pocket. The difference in 2009-2010 is that he was not allowed to pass in situations where he would face a rush. On 3rd down either we ran the ball or gave him quick 3 step drop reads to limit his exposure. Every time in 09-10 when the coaches gave him more freedom and responsibility they had to take it away from him and give him the equivalent of the wristband. The few times they let him pass in passing situations he was awful and collapsed. The secret to 2009-2010 was to limit Sanchez's exposure to lose the game for us. We won a lot of close games but they were products of our run game and the defense giving the offense enough chances to eventually win the game. He has always panicked and folded in the pocket the difference in 09-10 his exposure to situations where he would face a rush was severely limited. One thing about Sanchez he almost never stands in the pocket and takes a hit. He will almost always give up on the play to avoid a hit. When Sanchez got put into more situations that a normal QB plays in 2011 and 2012 his weakness became pretty obvious to everyone. Many of us called it in 2010 that when Sanchez would have to actually stand in the pocket like a normal QB he would collapse. Which he has done even though he has shown some flashes of improvement in 11 and 12. But there are a few games where he showed flashes stepping up in the pocket and actually taking a hit. The 1st Dolphins game, the Texans game and one other game early this year. The Dolphins game he not only stepped up in the pocket he took a few hits while throwing the ball and actually showed some toughness for the first time in his career. But then he quickly reverted to the form he showed his entire career panicing under pressure and running blindly in the pocket with his head down. Watch the 49ers game it is arguably the worst game a QB has ever played in the history of the NFL. I have never seen a QB play with more fear, run with blindly with his head down, or miss receivers by a bigger margin. I guess its only fitting that a bad Sanchez pass caused Holmes injury in that game. The biggest problem that Sanchez has had for 4 years is he panics and plays scared. This effects everything else he does. It causes him to shuffle his feet and not step into his throws, lose velocity and some accuracy. It causes the sacks he takes, fumbles, misreads and poor throws. But this is a problem he has had for 4 years not 2 years. He showed a few glimpes or flashes this year of playing like a NFL QB for the first time in his career. His problem are mental and lack of toughness. I don't see he will ever fix those. Essentially the only thing that can be done is to simply limit hsi exposure to making mistakes. That is using the 09-10 philosophy of not letting him throw in passing situations. Basically playing with 10 men on offense. The problem is we do not have the run game and Sanchez has been exposed. Defenses look on him as prey now and will come after him like Wolves knowing he cannot hurt them.
In the Jacksonville game? He hit Hilliard in the flat, to have the ball bounce off him. He hit Kerley for a first, only to have Kerley fumble it away. With the game on the line he threw a rope to Cumberland over the shouldre in stride to ice it. And, FWIW, go to NFL.com, check the Indy game, at 10:26 in the second, and tell me what Simms says.... ( a point that Boomer reiterated several months later on his morning radio show....)
Hardly. You must have missed the end of Ken OBriens career. Sanchez dies not play scared. The protection has been that poor even in games they win. Scared = rushing the throw. He never does that, he eats it which does cause other problems, but his problem as it exists, is he has more balls than brains. Hell force it where it won't go, or he'll try to eat it and not protect it. Coaching points.
Sanchez certainly has happy feet in the pocket but his problems are much worse than happy feet. When he is rushed he panics, lowers his head, runs blindly until he hits something or something hits him, gives up on play and avoids hits. Watch Sanchez when he panics he runs around blindly with the ball held out. The protection has not been poor. The problem is Sanchez. Look at 2011. The Jet line gave up the 5th fewest hits, 12 least QB pressures but Sanchez took a sack on a remarkable 24% of the time he was pressured because he plays scared, afraid, gives up on plays. While I agree with you about O'Brien and his happy feet Sanchez is so much worse than O'Brien. O'Brien actually had the guts to stand in the pocket and take hits and throw the ball down the field. You will never see Sanchez do such a thing. Watch Sanchez and see how often he throws the ball while being hit. It rarely happens as he will fold up on the ground and give up on the play. Then watch a normal NFL QB and see the difference. It is quite remarkable. Sanchez is not in O'Brien's league. O'Brien was a NFL QB. Something even the most hard pressed Sanchez fan will have a hard time calling Sanchez.
Didn't he turn the ball over in that game too? He threw for less than 200 yards against Jacksonville for crying out loud. He should have eviscerated them in the passing game.
As an outsider I really honestly can say I've never thought much of Sanchez. I think the Jets made it to the AFC championship games based on the rest of the team which was loaded with talent. That said, looking back Sanchez had a really good year that second year. Much more than I ever expected. And then came the next phase of his career. I watch a lot of Jets games, more than any other team besides the Dolphins. I think Sanchez is good at times. But he's not consistent. He's not good enough to carry your team on his back. Honestly 2013 looks to be a dead year for you guys with Sanchez and Rex as dead ducks. I think this looks to be a rebuilding year for you guys. However Rex has unpleasantly surprised me before. Who knows. But I think most football fans of any team can agree Sanchez is not the future.
It's their fault that he is inaccurate and can't consistently hit them in stride? That he constantly throws ints and fumbles away the ball? He gets adequate time in the pocket and all he does is stand around like a statue in the pocket til he gets sacked. They may not be the best of talent but shouldn't we be expecting the 5th overall pick to turn those guys into better players?
See I think it completely went to shambles in year 4 and somewhere in year 3 he regressed to panicked version of himself who rushed throws (hence the quick trigger, unnecessary checkdowns, DL picking passes off). Year 2 I think was one of best years in the pocket. He was constantly avoiding pressure and making his best throws when doing so. He took multiple big illegal hits in 2010 and stood through it. He also seemed to be much better decision making, and yes he did have to throw the ball quite often in passing downs. That was exactly when he succeeded that year (in the 2 minute offense) and then we came out and tried to run that in NE and was partly of the reason we lost 45-3 to them. There were signs of some good, I believe he only threw 13 picks that year and his INT % was 2.6, so it wasn't just a low amount of throws. He made good decisions with is throws compared to the other 3 years. In year 3 it could be argued that he was more poised in the pocket, but that BAL game, the DEN game, the MIA game, the NYG game, the PHI game all stand in my head where he played scared and not poised at all. That's almost 1/3 of the seaosn without me watching any highlights.
He was put in a position that asked him to do more; there's a difference... He didnt do more and could not elevate those around him. Of course Holmes' injury hurts Sanchez and that has to be taken into account, but its not like Holmes is Megatron and it still doesnt excuse his play. Im not going to sit here and say Sanchez hasn't made some big time throws in some big time moments... Because he has, and I think thats why few still defend him. Problem is, those throws are very few and far between in recent years. As for what the front office is currently doing, it could be a smoke screen. You know how things work... I dont really think the organization is truly counting on Sanchez to be honest. Im not sure how someone could. Maybe they hope he could turn around his career, but I think its far more unlikely. Who knows, maybe they roll with 2 FAs and Sanchez and make this a true rebuild year and hope that next year we are in position to draft a franchise QB. Just because he was the 5th overall pick doesnt mean he cant regress. Just because he didnt have great coaching doesnt mean he cant regress (it could give him an excuse for regressing, but it doesnt mean he can't). "Growing pains" dont include 2 seasons of bottom 3 QB play and two non winning seasons. It also doesnt include being benched in your 4th year for a 3rd string QB. I expect growing pains in the first 2 years... By year 4? he's a seasoned vet. There's no room for growing pains.
You're overrating a couple of media reports. They might be right. They might be wrong. Way too early to know for sure. Sounds like Garrard and Quinn are options, but no one is signed yet and the draft is still over a month away.
How would you know his inaccuracy last year was his fault? The receiving game is a two way street and he was throwing to guys he had no confidence in that they were going to be where they were supposed to be. And he had no confidence that they would get open - which you reference in your above post when you say he gets adequate time in the pocket (hardly true though) and just waits to get sacked. The fact is our passing game SUCKED last year. But its not one Sanchez alone.
