I disagree completely. I don't think you have to fall in love with a QB to draft him - especially if it's not the first round. Some GMs will take a QB somewhere every year, with hopes that they strike gold. Getting a QB that was a preseason top 10 pick at pick 39 is a very good pick to make... especially when that's one of the weakest positions on your roster. I also think you can get in trouble by making general statements like "we should stay away from USC QBs" just because Mark Sanchez hasnt worked out for us. I'm not in love with Barkley, but he is much different than Mark Sanchez.. that's about the only thing they have in common - the USC connection. Barkley qualifies with the BP School of QB drafting: 1) He started and played multiple years 2) in a major conference against tough competition 3) he graduated Also, Unlike Sanchez he's faced difficulties in his time at USC. times where the team was struggling some or he faced more adversity/scrutiny... when times are tough here I don't think he'll fold. I don't want Barkley at the 9 - but at the 39? hell yeah! I just don't think he'll be there though.
What makes you think Barkley could be a franchise QB? The fact that you are not in love with Barkley tells me you are unsure about his NFL future. I'm not sold on him, and I don't know many who are sold on him also. You don't draft a QB just because it's good value, it's much more than that. When you draft a QB in the first or 2nd round he has to be the guy. I don't see Barkley being that guy. The major differences between Mark and Matt is pocket presence (Mark was a better athlete). They both pretty much are the same when it comes to arm strength. Barkley is more accurate I can agree with that. Big game ability? Sanchez balled out against a Penn State defense that was tops in the country. What games did Barkley really impress you in? Against good defenses more-so? USC QBs have never worked out in the NFL. I'm not ready to be the trendsetters, not just yet. Not with our track history of developing QBs We need skill players on offense, this draft is filled with them. We should be looking at offensive line, play-makers and linebackers IMO.
Lol, Mike Mayock released a position ranking and appeared on Rich Eisen's podcast, now Walterfootball completely reshuffles his mock draft accordingly.
You are right about his athleticism, Sanchez was a little more athletic coming in.. Barkley doesn't wow me athletically enough for #9 pick...I'm a little nervous about his arm strength and him trying to cut passes through the windy meadowlands in november and december...I'm also a little scared off by his size and his shoulder injuries at USC. But - He's a really smart QB. He has a great pocket awareness and that is something that is hard to teach. He's accurate and he's not going to make bonehead plays out there. I like that he's got 47 games of collegiate experience at a high level and in a tough,unforgiving market like N.Y. Big game experience? - How about stepping up after struggling most of the day and leading an 85 yard game winning drive late on the road in Ohio State, as an 18 year old, in only his 2nd game ever. -Just because his team let him down doesn't mean he struggled in some of their big game losses. He played great vs. Stanford (Luck and Harbaugh) in 2010 and in 2011.. played great against Oregon in 2011 and 2012. etc. etc. -Played amazing against a good Syracuse team across the country in the Meadowlands last year Just a few examples anyway - He's had a lot of shining moments on the big stage. Under Kiffin, he's ran a NFL west coast offense. He could step right into Morningweg's system and play well.. the offense fits him perfectly and he's very NFL ready. I would be suprized if the Jets took him in the 2nd round and he beat out Sanchez and McElroy in training camp. I also don't think he should get lumped into a category with those other USC guys because he's not at all like them. He's not a party-boy type like Sanchez and Leinart. He also dealt with a lot more adversity and better competition (oregon and stanford much better) than they did. He's a hard worker and very focused on and off the field.. He reminds me a lot of Chad Pennington, and if that's what we'd get in the second round I'd take that anytime.
Is Matt Cassel a bust? He was picked in round 7 by the pats. He stepped in for Brady on a very talent offense and completed 63.4 of his passes, had 21 tds to 11 ints. He had a bad first season for the chiefs, throwing 16 tds to 16 ints. His next season for the Chiefs though? In 2010 he only completed 58.2 of his passes, but he threw for 27 tds to 7 ints. The Chiefs won the division, and Cassell went to the probowl. I think anyone would take that td to int ratio. In 2011, Cassel didn't have such a great year, and midway though hurt his hand and ended up on IR. We know how 2012 went. Is Cassel a bust? I'd say no, at least not for being a 7th round pick who never started in college. If anything he exceed expectations for his NFL career. Palmer, also is not a bust. He regularly completes 60% of his passes, has broken 4000 yards passing several times, and is probably better than half the QB's in the league. Palmer might not have lived up to being a #1 overall pick, but he also isn't a bust. He's a competent starter. As for Sanchez, he is a likely bust at this point, but we all know the story. He came out of college too early, and probably wasn't ready for the NFL when he got here. I don't know much about Barkley, but I wouldn't avoid a QB just because they went to USC.
The Jets aren't taking a QB just because Sanchez sucks, it's also because there is no incumbent to challenge him. Tebow will be gone, and Mcelroy may not have a NFL strength arm.
The west coast offense aspect of it can be intriguing. You don't need the strongest of arms to run that offense, if his football IQ is good it's worth investigating. His interceptions make me very nervous, and that ties to decision-making. The experience is excellent, I agree he's played some tough teams. I'm just not sold on him, maybe it is my USC hatred right now and it still bothers me. Selecting him, would make me very nervous. If we trade Revis and get some picks, I wouldn't mind turning one of those picks into a QB. If we had to draft any of them, it would be Barkley IMO. I'm sold on getting Warmack and G.Bernard with our first two picks (even if we have to trade a few spots up to get that all-purpose back). Chad had plenty of adversity coming out of college and he became a good QB for us, maybe Barkley does the same, but I'm not sure ... it would have to be the right circumstances for sure.
Don't think Barkley is worth it in the 2nd round. He's not as tailor-made for NFL level WCO like everyone is thinking. http://secondroundstats.com/2013/02/01/smith-barkley-glennon-and-wilson-a-metrics-breakdown/ Just look at his accuracy @ the short passes vs. Glennon & Smith. Glennon actually looks like a much better option in the 2nd round. Add in the long line of USC QB failures (which goes beyond Mark Sanchez). Now imagine how many times USC hit the field and simply outclassed their opponent talent-wise.
If there's quality players that can contribute like a running back or an OLB then no way should they draft Barkley in the second round.
I'm not a big Barkley fan but here's my thought process on this: where are the Jets going to get a QB? They aren't going to get Bridgewater next year unless a miracle happens because he's going to a 2 win team and the Jets aren't going to be anywhere near that level. 4 or 5 wins is the floor and I think they're going to be better than that. They aren't going to get Manziel in 2015 for the same reasons. So they're likely going to get their QB by the same route that most NFL teams do, either taking a 1st round QB outside of the top 3 picks or by somehow finding one later in the draft. They'll either spend good value on a later 1st round pick and hope he works out or they'll spend early 2nd round value on a developmental guy they're pretty sure will be good with some time on the sidelines or they'll get lucky as hell taking somebody elsewhere in the draft and having the fates hand him the job. In that light taking a shot on almost any prospect at a slot lower than his value is probably a good place for the Jets to start. If Barkley fell to the 39 he'd likely be exactly the kind of guy the Jets should look at. Because, where are the Jets going to get a QB?
The question is can Barkley or any other QB become the franchise QB that this team has been searching for in what seems like forever. If the answer is yes I don't care who else is available, that QB better be the pick. I think this QB crop is really interesting, there is no clear cut superstar QB prospect but like 5-6 that have potential to be really good pro QBs. I have the feeling Idzick gonna want to draft a QB this year and if he does 2nd rd is the place to get him or late 1st if we get a pick from Revis.
It'd be really nice to be able to trade the 9 down to a pick in the 20's and a 2nd and a 3rd. That's a lot of picks to differentiate a QB you like.
I'm still hoping Jets trade Revis away for 1/2 or 1/3. If Jets somehow manages to trade down for another 1/2 or 1/3, it would be beautiful. (2x 1st, 2x 2nd, 2x 3rd or 3x 2nd - something Jets can never do these days.) Jets should still be able to get a good OLB prospect in 1st round - hell, 7 picks in top 4 rounds? They should be able to grab 2x OLBs, AND a safety - and THEN grab a QB, OL and two skill players. By the end of this season, Nacho can take a hike along with Santonio, and Jets can address offense (TE/RB/WR/OL) in the next year's draft.
I agree that QB should be given some priority in this draft. I'm more anti-Barkley than anti-QB. For now, these are the QB/Round I'd be more comfortable with. Geno in 1st Glennon in 2nd Bray in 3rd Landry Jones in 4th Matt Scott in 5th Renfree or some other flyers in 6,7 I'm not sure where to put EJ Manuel & Tyler Wilson (not a big fan). +++++++++++++++++ I've also become a fan of 3rd or 4th rounder to Eagles for Foles. We've got his former OC right here. I'll trust that MM gave the thumbs up prior to that trade.
The weak QB class will only inflate the value of someone like Foles. I don't see why the Eagles would trade him for a 3rd or 4th when they are paying him peanuts (in relation to NFL QBs).
Foles is a better prospect IMO. 6'5, strong arm, experience in a competitive conference. Plus he's familiar with the system and I think he could easily give Mark a run for his money
I'm sure that Bridgewater isn't the only good QB coming out next year. At least that's what I've been hearing.
Don't get me hyped about having all those picks in the first three rounds where this draft is stacked on. Jets will probably trade up instead.
Eagles signed QB Dennis Dixon. He's got familiarity with what offense they're gonna try implementing out there. Salary-wise, he should also be cheap. Foles as 3rd-stringer or mid-round pick? I think every team would jump at the chance to unload 3rd string QB for mid-rounder. Of course this whole logic is built around Dennis Dixon being the preferred backup by their HC. If it's really an open competition for starting & backup QB then I'd expect Eagles to sit on Foles until training camp is nearly over & then try to trade him for 2014 mid-rounder (If Dixon beats him out for backup QB).
