17a New Stadium Tour - PSL's, NEW STADIUM STUFF GO HERE

My opinion based on when RowOneJetsFan was here and just other research I've done is that the Jets will probably unload tickets for the season to ticket liquidators/brokers and have them sell them online. They may also maybe have them re-sell the PSLs online for them. If you look at ebay now there are a lot of PSLs for sale from the same person. For all we know this could be someone the Jets have trying to sell some unsold ones or listing them for above cost to try to keep the value higher. I'm just guessing how they would handle it but I'm definitely sure they will have brokers involved and sell to them below cost.

If the Jets didn't offer financing there would be a lot more PSLs for sale on the open market. In fact they'd probably be going for $250 a seat. Instead you can't sell your PSL unless the balance is paid. I only know of one person who was able to get around this and it was because the PSL holder passed away so the PSL was transferred to a family member. Otherwise they won't allow it which is part of the mess.

The Giants were smarter they didn't get involved in financing if you wanted to finance they said they would get you in contact with Wachovia. They also had their PSLs priced cheaper from the start (minus the upper deck) and didn't do that BS Great Hall Club on the visitors side.

The days before the PSL announcement my dad and I discussed our options and he said we would keep our tickets until the stadium closed down but that he thought a PSL should be the equivalent of one years season tickets and based on our upper deck seats $1k would be appropriate. Heck we would have even paid $1,500 each. Instead at first the cheapest was $4k and everyone that didn't get a seat they liked upstairs flocked to those.

Problem was most of our seats cost $75-$105. I will go with lower level end zone seats that eventually were $2,500. If you financed over 15 years it's about $250 a year. Add a $1,250 ticket price and you're paying $1,500. In the old place those seats were I believe $85. I always was pissed that those seats were only $10 more than my upper deck but I liked the people around me and I'd never give that up. Either way $850 going to $1,500 is a $650 increase for just one seat. If you bring a family of four it's a LOT.

If the Jets hadn't made those bullshit phone calls in March 2009 telling people they would most likely have to pay a $4k PSL which started the exodus and priced things right it would be better.

 

its just amazing the balls these guys had to raise the cost almost 100 percent for a worse game day experience....

 

Have you EVER figured out more/less how much you or your family has paid to the NYJs to view losing FB from the time you 1st obtained STH & thru the 2012 season? :sad:

 

Good post.

I don't think the Jets realized just how much worse this upper deck would be compared to the previous one. They didn't expect to ever have a problem filling them, especially without a PSL. Remember when we feared not having enough seniority to even get into the upper deck?

I had six of those Lower EZ seats in the old place and couldn't swing 6 x's 4K for a PSL in Metlife. Then, they lowered the PSL to 2.5K, and I was tempted back. Thankfully, they no longer could give me six in a row, or near each other, so I didn't go for it (whew). Had they initially, I would have bought in. Cut to 2012 and I got rid of three seats on my account because I couldn't accept eating tickets due to their cost and location, and the Jets are getting less money from me than they did throughout the 90's. So, they've obviously made a mistake. I still attend every game, but only with two others - not five.

Interesting aspect you mention, regarding the financing. I guess the Jets went into that for it's added revenue.

Let's not forget that the Jets didn't invent this PSL crap, or even its rules. What they did is overestimate the value their PSL's posses, relative to the crap stadium they built and their fan base. OK, we are not on the verge of a Super Bowl, but let's face it, all we need is proof that it is the goal, with an aggressive team. Most of us aren't Jets fans for the need for total glory.

 

They probably didn't realize it when they looked at the plans, but they sure as hell knew it by the "Meet Your Seats" campaign in June.

I remember quite well being SO disappointed when I finally climbed all the way up to the 16th Row in 342. The lying little bastard showing me the seats was telling everyone the escalators were "out of order." I saw older guys, out of shape, huffing and puffing their way up the ramps. Un-fucking-believable.

But then when we got there and I sat down, right off the bat he says to me "Pretty high up, huh?" I said, "Well, yeah, it's higher than I expected, and further away too." And he says "Yeah, that's what everybody says. But let's go downstairs to my office and see what we can do for you."

I thought he was talking about getting me closer to the rail, but no dice. He was talking about a $4,000 PSL (X 4 Seats). I told him I'd think about it... he even showed me LL EZ seats like Row 23 or something like that. But the view was shitty b/c it's so flat, I walked out of there pissed... really pissed.

That was the start of the fuck around. Everything was fairly civil until that day (June 22nd, I think... that's how much I was pumped and looking forward to that day, I even remember the date) but after that day, that's when I realized, "Holy cow, these guys are under strict orders to really fuck the Seniority people around." I couldn't believe with all my Seniority and 4 in the Mezz and all the freaking dollars I mailed into that organization, that all they could do for me was Row 16 in 342. What a freaking insult.

I guess you could say it's no secret that I'm still pissed to this day.

 

The biggest mistake the Jets made was telling you how bad the upper deck was. It didn't take much to figure out but they put it in our heads how bad it would be up there. It was like going to a car dealership and leasing a Ford Taurus for a year instead of buying a BMW. They keep telling you that the Taurus isn't as good as the BMW and make you feel like you purchased crap. The year is up they want you to re-up the lease and you want nothing to do with it and now the dealership is stuck with them.

The Jets really overestimated things. For myself I only pay for my own ticket I am not on the hook for any others so while jumping the price by $200 stinks it won't break me. For others though that have 4, 6, 8 tickets it's a big deal. In the past you could find friends to buy your extras now a big game they will but that's about it.

 

$20 price cut across the upper deck and the same half off parking offer is very realistic. If the Jets do it is another story.

 

That's what they should do. Will a zillionaire owner out of touch with his fan base realize what he's up against or is it still about the PSL owners, suite owners and the Super Bowl? I think he's distracted with the big game and they are not even thinking about the UD. Last meeting on the last day before the invoices are printed. " So Woody, what about the UD, should we give them 1/2 off the parking and coupons like we did last year? We can give them the same deal but give them 1/2 the amount for coupons and lets get these invoices out and see what these PSL owners plan on doing. We could always lower the UD ticket prices to $50 per game w/free parking like last August. Once my guy John turns around the team, the UD will sell fine. I want those damm PSL owners to pay up or my lawyers will go after them"

 

History tells us Woody either doesn't have a clue or does have a clue but doesn't give a shit. I don't know what's worse.

I supppose, if it's just that he doesn't have a clue, then MAYBE we have a chance of getting something when he does get a clue from all the cancellations.

But if he DOES have a clue and just chooses to not give two shits, then we're all in trouble. He will do like you say, not give in and just allow UDers to walk away and then sell the remaining seats on StubHub for $50 or even less, and give all the newbies all the perks that we should have had... no Preseasons, cheaper seats, give-aways, promotional coupons, etc.

I think it's the latter. He knows what's going on but doesn't give two shits. He knew last year and didn't give two shits about giving away all that stuff right under our noses. Guys in an UD section who HAD TO pay for the Preseasons and HAD TO pay full face for every game sitting next to some complete newbie who bought his tickets last week for $50 and didn't have to pay for the Preseasons.

I mean, that's just not giving a shit, really. No fucking respect, no regard whatsoever about what we are thinking or if we resent what he's doing or if we feel used and abused or taken. Nothing. Now THAT's not giving a shit!

That's why I don't put too much stock in the speculation that we'll get a good deal this year. He never gave a shit in the past, so why would he start now? This prick needs to take it up the ass but good. I hope he has 30% occupancy next year.

 

Jets owner aware of possible PSL defaults

FLORHAM PARK, N.J. -- There are good long-term investments, and then there are Jets personal seat licenses.

That’s what some Jets fans told the New York Post for a story, and they are considering defaulting on the pricey seats after a 6-10 season that saw the value for their tickets fall.

Asked about it Tuesday at the Jets practice facility in Florham Park, team owner Woody Johnson said he is aware of emails from fans who are having trouble reselling their tickets and want out of the PSL contract.

"I have gotten the same things," Johnson said. "The fact is that we have a lot of passion. Our fans are very passionate and they feel very strongly. They’re going to lash out and express their feelings. I don’t blame them, quite frankly. It would be a lot worse if they were apathetic and they said, 'Um, I don’t really care about this.' ... We work for the fans and we want to produce something better. That’s why we’re making these changes. We’re listening to the fans."

When the Jets and Giants were building MetLife Stadium, fans who were season-ticket holders in the old Giants Stadium had the option of renewing, but with a PSL. It’s a contract that requires a ticketholder to pay, in addition to a per-game ticket price, a one-time fee to "own" that seat.

The Jets didn’t put a PSL on each seat, but the ones that have them can be pricey; starting at $5,000 a seat. It’s paid like a mortgage, owners can finance through a five- or 15-year plan. And like a mortgage, some PSL owners in the Post’s report and online are talking about defaulting. Johnson was asked if he planned to take those defaulters to court.

"I’m not going to comment on legal (issues)," Johnson said. "You can talk to the legal department on that. We work for our fans. They’re frustrated and I feel very confident we’re going to change this thing."

http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/jets/post/_/id/19933/jets-owner-aware-of-possible-psl-defaults

 

I don't understand something. When asked about ticketholders saying they were thinking of defaulting, here's his answer:

"We work for the fans and we want to produce something better. That’s why we’re making these changes. We’re listening to the fans."

Can anybody please tell me WTF kind of answer that is to that question? What does he mean "produce something better?" Making what changes? WTF is this A-Hole talking about?

HEY WOODY. HEAR ME OUT. REALLY WANT TO LISTEN TO THE FANS? REALLY WANT TO "MAKE CHANGES?"

LOWER YOUR PRICES, ESPECIALLY IN THE UPPER DECK, OR YOU WON'T HAVE ANY FANS LEFT TO "LISTEN TO!"

 

"I’m not going to comment on legal (issues)," Johnson said. "You can talk to the legal department on that. We work for our fans."

Hahahahhahaaaaa.... aaaaaahhhh...haha..hahahahahaa

 

I am sorry but those quotes were at the end of the season, the date of the article was Jan. 8th. He was working for the fans by finding us a GM and new coaching staff at the time. Its not like the quotes were from Monday.

 

Hahahahahahaaa.... aaaahh...ahhhhahahahaa..

This is even funnier than Woody's quotes.

An apologist amongst us! Are you freaking kidding me?

But Okay... Woody's a good guy now. Let me try to buy into this. Let's give him some slack one more time. He won't fuck us this time. Oh no.