Above average athletically might have been the case a couple of years ago, not anymore by a long shot and his arm is nicely average.
lucky to be in the league? he's been one of the best return men in the league for years, his 6 receiving TDs in 2009 are DOUBLE what kerley(our #1 this year) has in his 2 years in the league and he's their 5th,6th, 7th option on O. That's the point, they have elite weapons around the QB. Pitta and Dickson are an excellent TE duo, keller has averaged 48 recs a year. Dickson had 54 in '11 and Pitta 61 this year. AGAIN, these guys are way down the list on worries for a DC but they'd be top weapons for us. They have 2 excellent backs, 2 very good TEs, 2 excellent starting WRs then you start talking about Jones who is a nice deep threat and WON the SB for Baltimore but that's just like Kerley, Schilens, Gates, Cumberland and reuland!
But he seemed scared at times to take off or pull the trigger. It's weird. It's like one Sunday he's trying everything in his power to carry the team with no care for the ball, and other days he absolutely scared of doing something with the ball and double clutching on open throws. Hopefully the WCO makes things simple and just lets him play football. If he gets his footwork down so he's consistently throwing properly and standing tall, I think it would do worlds for him mentally.
Jones IS lucky to be in the league. He's a good kick returner but struggled in 2011 and his fumbles in the playoffs vs. Baltimore almost cost him his career. He was released and baltimore took a flyer on him as a returner. There were talks that he would be TC fodder. He's never been a WR. He's a Jonathan Carter clone.... The fact that Joe Flacco was able to complete passes to him was an added bonus. Pitta and Dickson aren't excellent. Keller has averaged 48 catches a year from the worst starting QB in the nfl, his numbers would've been better than those two had he played with a real QB. Hell, Cumberland would've had 50 catches this year in Baltimore... What they have is 1 excellent back.. a good WR (Boldin would struggle looking good in NY though with Sanchez) and other than that average to poor weapons. They do have an excellent QB though, which makes an enormous difference.
He was the difference in the SB, Carter had 14 career recs- Jones has had 30 or more each of the last 3 years including a career high of 51 so they aren't exactly alike. Keller had 48 recs w/ a future HOFer throwing him the ball. Bernard Pierce was dynamic for them this year averaging almost 5 YPC. If Edwards, Holmes, Cotch and kerley have looked good w/ Mark why would Boldin struggle? an excellent QB that bal fans wanted out a month ago before the great playoff run. It's so funny how the average fan thinks.
Junc with your talent observation I am so glad you dont work for the Jets. Bmore has a great back and decent spare parts at best for Flacco to work with. Mark sucks plain and simple, at a certain point the training wheels need to come off the fifth overall pick
I spend a great deal of time in Baltimore. I've spent quite a few sundays in Baltimore bars the last few years as well as listening to their local sports talk radio during the work weeks - The average Baltimore fan didn't want Flacco out. Not sure why you would say that. They wanted Cameron out, got their wish, and it worked out pretty well for them. You have such a biased opinion on Joe Flacco that it's impossible to have a real conversation with you. Every thread with the mention of the Baltimore Ravens results in you downplaying everything he's done and talking up his slapdick teammates. But of course you aren't saying anything bad about him or comparing him to Sanchez right???? HAHA When you said they had 2 excellent backs I thought you were referring to Vonta Leach, who's an excellent blocking FB (not much with the ball in his hands though) but alas, you were referring to a rookie RB with 1 fucking TD in his life. I know statistics don't matter (unless you are trying to argue that a career KR is an excellent WR or course...) but doesn't someone have to score more than 1 TD in his life to be considered "excellent"???? He might turn out to be a good RB, he might suck in the future who knows.. but he's not "excellent" and he didn't a whole lot for the Joe Flacco-led SB champions.
I think Jason Campbell is better than T. Jackson. He's a FA. Drew Stanton also. Where's David Garrard at?
you have no idea what you are wataching. Bal fans were not happy w/ Flacco until postseason. There's a reason bal didn't extend him before this season. I don't downplay Flacco at all, he's been a quality starter in this league but I also don't pretend like he is all of a sudden great b/c he had a great run over 3-4 games. You have not watched Bernard Pierce play if you are not impressed w/ him. Interesting, jacoby Jones has a 6 TD year(just on offense) and he sucks, Pitta has 7 this year and he's average but now b/c Pierce doesn't have a ton of TDs he isn't good. Watch the man play, I thought he was better than Rice while watching Baltimore play.
Baltimore fans didn't have anything to do with why Baltimore didn't extend him before the season. That was handled in the F.O. Baltimore fans don't make decisions for the team. Just like Jets fans don't here in NY. Really though, most fans in Baltimore wanted them to extend him.... so I don't know what you've been hearing. Pierce looked solid giving Ray Rice a breather, but just that. Believe it or not I did actually watch the NFL playoffs and he looked a little like a Shonn Greene to me. Another average straight-forward back that can be effective spelling a team's No.1, especially in the playoffs when the grind of the NFL season has taken a toll on most and they have fresh legs...... Fortunately for Baltimore Fans, their franchise probably won't go releasing Ray Rice and handing the starting job over to Pierce because of a decent post season (like our Jets)... I'm willing to bet you didn't watch any Baltimore games outside of the postseason if you are making arguments about Jacoby Jones and Bernard Pierce being excellent. They were largely irrelevant for the regular season. You are not going to pretend Joe Flacco's great because of "a great run of 3-4 games".. But apparently you ARE with Jones, Pierce, and those TEs..
But Mark is great because he won four playoff games, its nothing but double standards and stat spinning with you junc
This thread is toxic, we have two giant threads on Mark Sanchez. Maybe we should destroy the Tebowmania forum and call it Stale Nacho Forum
Where did I say Bal fans had anything to do w/ it? It showed the organzation wasn't convinced they wanted to sink big money in him which is more important. Actually we didn't hand the job to Greene since LT started most of the time in 2010 and Thomas Jones was at the end of his career, I loved TJ but we made the right move. I saw plenty of Ravens games, Pierce impressed me every time I watched him. I had seen enough of Jones in Houston to know he is a playmaker. Where did I call those guys great? Once again you guys deflect w/ stuff I never said. who are you? where did you come from? you are providing nothing to this discussion. Either contribute and try to back up your arguments or move along.
NYJunc is not the only one, there are several who will cling to those AFC Championship game appearances like they are the shroud of Turrin. Mark is not the QB for this franchise. Sure Rex loves him, but we need to fix the one position that defines winning now in this pass happy league. We need a good, not great, but a good QB who can lead this offense. Mark is not it.
Everything is speculation. Sanchez supporters and haters aren't going anywhere with this discussion, I for one admire your guys efforts in hoping he comes up big because we drafted him in the first place, but we just won't know until next season. The fact that users blame everyone on one position is just baffling. If they were Jet fans they would understand the offensive situation before Nacho came along. The sooner people realize at the end of the day it's a team game with 52 players in the roster and 11 in the huddle then the better off we are. btw I hate baseball.
The thread is toxic because some people are in it just to argue and their points are idiosyncratic at best and appear idiotic to most. Unfortunately they have people arguing with them who just don't understand there's no way to win the argument so the same point gets argued back and forth for dozens of pages with no movement. If you ever went on a long car trip with your brother and you both stuck in the back seat and nothing to do for hundreds of miles you've seen this before. The difference is that you were really stuck in that car with nothing to do. People are enabling the trolls here by not just bowing out. The only reason I'm bringing this up and not bowing out is that I agree with you that this thread and many others lately are toxic and hard to deal with. It's beginning to destroy the experience of posting here. It's hard to navigate a thread in which hundreds of extra posts occur because one poster keeps popping back into the thread and has hundreds of posts in the thread himself.
