it was certainly much better than 2012 but we couldn't run it for half the year and 3 of our top 4 weaspons in the pass game were out of football in 2012 so it wasn't very good either.
I really felt Tanny overevaluated certain players and it all backfired. Wayne Hunter taking Damien Woody's place Shonne Greene over Thomas Jones Sanchez being asked to do more without putting equal or greater talent around him. But with that said it doesn't excuse his poor play.
Woody retired I loved Jones but he got rid of him at the right time Many of those post '10 moves didn't work out though and it showed in the results.
They did have a better talent base, but ours was pretty good too. We just took a different approach and it seems BAL had the more successful approach and attitude. Obviously it was a little easier with their talent as you said, but we were in that position. I'm going to number you paragrpahs to make it easier for me: (1) Not unreasonable at all to think Sanchez should improve. I think you could argue for a while that he seemed improved by the wheels fell off. But I think there is difference between him improving and him being the focal point of the offense if that makes sense? (2) Definitely hindsight is 20/20 from me and I don't think were too happy about Plax. He was fresh out of jail, no football for years, we had no idea what to expect and he was our #2. Then getting Mason seemed redundant with Cotch here and shipping out I think a lot of us were upset with. Also I still hold that chasing Nnamdi was the mistake that made the rest of that offseason dominos fall. Big mistake going after Nnamdi instead of prioritizing our two top WRs. One of the speculated reasons Braylon was upset was that we went Nnamdi/Tone, Cro, Plax, before even listening to him. If we prioritized getting our two WR back, well I think we could have. (3) We should remember we did go 8-8 that year. It wasn't miserable from Sanchez, it was average with a terrible finish. He was a less accurate Eli at that point, throwing for a bunch of TDs but throwing a ton of INTs combined. Or even a Romo. That type of gunslinger that throws you in and out of games. We also have to remember that after (Turner I think) went down with a broken leg in 2011 in the preseason (after letting Woody walk and promoting Hunter) we did not acquire another backup lineman. I don't want to keep on bashing FO but I do think the last two years they were a step or two behind every problem, not addressing things before they became a problem but after they became a major problem. I agree reasonable to expect more from Sanchez, and we did get more, unrealistic to think he could command an offense like Rodgers, Brady, or Peyton which is kind of what we tried. (4) Correct, Sanchez is to blame in addition to the FO and coaching. We didn't develop him properly but if was a very talented QB, he would have come through and not regressed so suddenly. I think it was one of the reasons Sanchez hasn't hit the top of potential. I think it's unfair to put all the blame on Sanchez, but he deserves a big share because it's his performance but there were other things along that didn't help him out too.
2009 and 2010 were good years, we made the playoffs and were one half away from going to the SB. 2010 Sanchez and the Jets were good enough to win it all. You don't take weapons away from a young QB. That's a one way ticket to a bad investment. That's the point that should be made here. Anything going forward doesn't matter much. He's beat run down and damaged, no support from the FO will ruin a player's confidence completely.
You actually think the quarterback giving up 9 points on turnovers hurt less than one touchdown drive surrendered by the defense? Those are remarkably low expectations for the offense, defense first team or not. Perhaps expectations you'd have for a team with horrendous quarterback play. Good thing Kerley was around to set up the only meaningful touchdown the Jets scored on the day with his long pass to Mulligan.
I think your phrase Pass to Mulligan, says all that needs to be said. Mulligan makes Becht look like Gonzalez.
No support? Are you shitting me? He got an extension he is one of the highest paid QB's in the NFL. Now if you want to tell me our coaching staff was clueless on how to develop a QB I buy into that but support from the Team. Tannenbaum from a business POV let Sanchez sodomize him publicly. He was fired for it.
This isn't about extension. This is about developing a QB the right way. It's about continuity and talent on the offensive side of the ball. I just don't want the next guy to come in and go through the same thing. The extension was an AWFUL idea. One of the worst contracts extensions ever.
There is no right way. Most QB's who are picked high come to bad teams and players develop around them. The Jets were a built to win team without a QB. Sanchez had the advantage of a great OL, running game and good veterans early in his career and when the Jets needed him to take another step with a little less talent around him he crapped in his pants.
There is the right way. Draft the QB, get young skilled players and build around the QB's skill-set. Let them develop together. Have a system in place that takes advantages of the QB's strengths. The quarterback is the most important aspect of the team. If it fails, it fails, but at least you attempted it the correct way
All fair points. I think what disturbed me the most about 11 was that up to a point the team was doing well. We focus for understandable reasons on teh last three games since the Jets thanks to Sanchez pissed away a playoff run by losing three straight. But the flip side was that at the halfway mark they were 5-3, and if they had beaten NE that Monday night game, they were in the driver's seat for the rest of the year. Instead of that they got killed, and have not been a real contender ever since. For the Sanchez part of that situation, what should be troubling to any Jet fan is HE GOT WORSE AS THE SEASON WENT ON. Not only no development, but he sucked worse and worse. So if we want to look at the FO's job that year, at the point they were 5-3 and had a chance to put NE in the rearview mirror, that is when they, again mostly thnaks to Sanchez, began the current period of suckage. The plan didn't look so bad halfway through, but Muck sure killed it after that.
You are right, Biggs. This idea that a Qb has to start with and develop alongside a young crappy team and everyone gets better is ridiculous. How about when Steve Young went to the Niners? Even when Brady joined the Pats they were a decent team with Bledsoe as Qb. There is no one right way, and Sanchez more than had enough support to win.
yep the pats were so decent they went 5-11 in 2000 w/ Bledsoe and starte d0-2 w/ Bledsoe in 2001. young was on his 2nd team and had been a starter in the league before he joined a dynasty and could only manage 1 SB b/c of the JJ's divorce.
Oh man that Monday night game against NE. So close to legitimizing us but so far. Then the second half of the season had some atrocious games from Sanchez and the O that only seemed close before the defense had to be perfect for 90% of the game. Yep, midway through season 3 and thne a downturn ever since. True, I still think the FO messed up with their moves. It didn't seem like a plan, more like patchwork. It might have worked, but part of being a good FO is putting Sanchez in the best place to reach his potential. Something we really didn't do and that is partly because Sanchez needs a LOT of talent around him.
