Jets GM John Idzik said he's a Jet, Open Competition...about Mark Sanchez

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  1. azhar80

    azhar80 Well-Known Member

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    Sheer brilliance...
     
  2. legler82

    legler82 Well-Known Member

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    Who gets the credit if he succeeds?
     
  3. ArmandJ

    ArmandJ Well-Known Member

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    Probably MM...?
     
  4. 74

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    Jordan never acted that way, Sanchez always acts that way. I'm not even gonna get into this, it's possibly the worst example you can use.

    Two things winners have in common, short term memory and borderline cocky confidence. Find me one example of a proven championship athlete who regularly has sulking, depressing body language. Find me ONE.

    I'd like to know have you ever played a contact sport? You ever see a great wrestler hang his head and sulk after getting taken down? You ever see a great boxer do it? What great football players do it? No. If anything they get pissed off.

    So if I see a guy hanging his head after poor play all the time I'm not allowed to deduce that he's sulking cuz he might just be looking at the grass. GTFO.

    4 of your 5 reasons for why he might be hanging his head were related to poor play. Bingo, that's the problem. That's what losers do. Winners don't do that because they have a tenacious will to fight to the end and unshakable confidence in their own abilities.

    Here's a tip you wanna be a winner then ACT like one. Sanchez has consistently throughout his pro career displayed actions that are characteristic of LOSERS. If he's ever going to have success again then that needs to change once and for all.
     
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  5. azhar80

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    I played sports my whole life, professional on college level.

    Funny thing what you are saying sounds great but if think abt it they don't make sense. Play like a champion lol, wtf does that really mean? Play hard, and tough, physical, give it your all etc make sense but you don't really know who is playing at what level there is no meter to measure the intensity.

    Again as far as acting like a champion, professional I don't know who holds conducts themselves better than Mark. We know he has played hurt, even when he was replaced he supported his replacement and team by helping his replacement get ready for our opponent.
    Sanchez could easily take the negative way out, but he always has taken the high road. Stop imagining we had a decent offense bcuz from our rbs to wrs to tes and parts of line performed poorly. Yet Espn reporters and fans blame everything on Mark, plz!

    The offense sucked with and will suck with almost anybody in this system and personnel basing.

    And wtf, me playing and coaching have to do with this?
     
  6. GRNYT

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    this post right here tells you all you need to know about jets fans and how low their expectations are...sad
     
  7. tank75

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    the guy who throws the game away lacks confidence in himself? he lacked confidence in his team last year, which is why he felt the need to throw into double and triple coverage. he needs his teammates to whoop his ass into shape and let him know that he doesnt need to force a big play to move the chains.

    give him consistency in the skill positions and guys that can get separation and break tackles and i doubt he throws nearly as many turnovers. im not saying that these things will fix his footwork (which has a direct relationship with his accuracy), but they will certainly make him less of a liability on the field.

    last season was an anomaly. its rare that teams suffer so many injuries in one season, where all of their skill position starters from week 1 are not out there...

    'accelerating the down' heh, yeh whatever, its a catchy saying, but it means fuck all. does he mean to say that if mark decided to keep throwing short balls to guys that couldnt break tackles for shit and get stuffed before the marker the team would have done better? maybe they would have had less turnovers, but lets not act as though this was a team of studs that mark decided to harpoon. sparanos passing attack was ridiculously simple. he was the exact opposite of schotty. while schotty was uber complicated yet predictable, sparano was just so unimaginative that he couldnt figure out how to call plays for the different coverages, yet that is marks fault, because well, mark calls the plays, and definitely starts going against his oc in a down season...

    if mornhinweg comes in and cant do shit with mark, then its time to hang up the towel and close his locker. why? because mm is a coach with a battle-tested system, one that has had consistent success in the nfl. this isnt an oline coach who had a successful stint calling plays for a season with someone elses offense and stole credit for his ocs work when he was a head coach. this isnt a guy who is only allowed to work in the nfl cause of who his father is.

    all this arguing is useless. rex brought in a qb specialist to try and fix his franchise qb. if it doesnt work, next guy up gets a shot. simple as that. no guarantees for mark, no grace period, either it works or hes out. whats so bad about that?
     
  8. Murrell2878

    Murrell2878 Lets go JETS!
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    That's what people don't seem to understand. The Giants added a WR in the first 3 rounds every year from 2006-09 and then again in 2011-12. We have drafted 1 WR in the first 3 rounds since Sanchez was drafted.
     
  9. jpaul17

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    oh really? not his pick 6? not his INT that set up the GW FG for Bal? not his 3 TOs that directly led to 17 pts? YOU are talking about idiotic arguments? the man was handed 14 pts by STs and still couldn't win. Blame the D all you want but Peyton cost them that game.

    10-6/11-5? oh boy. ok, using that incredibly flawed lack of logic let's say we went 11-5, we still are a WC team and we would have to win 2 in 2 road playoff games to get to the title game. He's won 2 road playoff games in his entire career, he lost at HOME w/ MUCH better talent(O and D) but we'd have been title game bound. Clearly our only issue was QB!
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    First of all, I agree with you. I've always said that Manning chokes in the playoffs. But don't you give Sanchez credit for setting his defense up with a lead at the end of a game. Just like the Broncos game where Tebow drove down the field at the end. Sanchez made plenty of mistakes, had that pick 6, but he gave his defense a lead with a couple minutes left and the D blew it. You put the blame on the defense that game. But when Manning has a bad game, but he gives the defense a lead with almost no time left, it doesn't matter that the defense blew it, it's all about Manning not playing well the entire game. Seems a little backwards. I'm not trying to pile on, and maybe it's because more is expected of Manning, but I thought this was a little unfair considering your defense of Sanchez.
     
  10. nyjunc

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    then struck gold w/ an UDFA they were about to cut.
     
  11. displacedfan

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    That factors into it definitely. I think we all said there is a lack of offensive talent on the team. For whatever reason the Jets didn't go all in on Sanchez, but Sanchez was doing fine midway through his 3rd year. Then something happened.

    But lack of talent or even no talent, the majority of the mistakes Sanchez made were on him not reading a play right, being a step late, badly throwing a ball, or having terrible ball security. That's the worrisome part. At the beginning of the year, you could see it was lack of trust in the WR at times, as the year went on it was just missing reads or being sloppy with the ball which is even wrose.

    There also comes a point where the Jets and Sanchez are too messed up. Many of us think Sanchez has hit that point. I think there is a slight chance we see a different Sanchez next year, but no way we can bank on that.

    The lack of talent is also why our GM is gone and we are starting over. I mean everyone agreed we had a lack of talent, hence the GM is gone. Part of that lack of talent was our QB who underperformed and did not just have a down year, but severely regressed into a performance that matched his rookie year performance.
     
  12. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    It's very possible that mentally he can't succeed here anymore, he has been mentally tough in the past but he was so beat down last year maybe it's done extensive damage? We'll find out.
     
  13. Biggs

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    The Jets traded up into the first round to get a pass catching TE, they traded a pick to get Santinio Holmes, they traded a pick to get Edwards and when they dumped Edwards they traded up in the draft to take a WR early in the second round.
     
  14. displacedfan

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    Remember his rookie/sophomore year, running around enjoying himself on the field? I don't remember seeing any of that, even on good days last year or the year after. Remember year 3, the Buffalo comeback? He threw a late TD pass to Holmes (our last glimpse of "clutch" Sanchez and his ability to throw on the move" and then instead of celebrating went to the exercise bike and sat there with no emotion? I think that's a sign that something changed mentally, but hopefully nothing has. I saw too much of the deer in headlights look.

    Hopefully the new OC finds a way to fix that, but man it's going to be tough.
    We aren't going to have an influx of talent next year and it's a new system for everyone. Keller and/or Greene might be gone also and we don't how Tone will come back from his injury. All this talk of Sanchez needing talent, we aren't going to have what we had in 2009/2010 for at least another two years. Time for him to perform better, protect the ball, and understand what we need from him. If not, I don't want to go the Alex Smith route with him. Better to get out of now/next year, than hang onto him unnecessarily hoping he "gets" it.
     
  15. Going4TheGreen

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    Begs the question...does a rival fan posting on a Jets message board at 4am have any room to speak on the definition of sad?
     
  16. Big Blocker

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    Beat me to it. I would also add while Burress did not work out, the Jets got him, too, and he did provide very good red zone production, more than most first round picks at wideout the same year.

    Sanchez supporters are just not persuasive, but in fairness to them they have very, very little to work with.
     
  17. Hobbes3259

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    Ths is the first proven offensive mind, the top 5 pick overall has been given.

    Schotty should have been gone 5 minutes after Sanchez was drafted.
     
  18. Hobbes3259

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    :rofl2:................
     
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    I don't buy that. There are souk crushing work atmospheres, and productive work atmospheres.

    Given Westhoffs comments about last years offense where would you say it ranked on the scale.
     
  20. ArmandJ

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    When Saint Chez shits the bed because he's not good, will you blame MM?
     

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