In the past 4 years one NY QB has thrown 70 INTs and fumbled the ball 24 times while the other has thrown 69 INTs and fumbled the ball 26 times. In that same span one has accrued a record of 34-30 record and the other 36-28 while compiling the same number of playoff wins 4. However, one is considered elite while the other is considered worst QB in the league. It's funny how certain things can seem so close to each other from a far but so far from being close.
We dont lose the Seattle game because we score a TD on the drive that where Mark double pump faked to the player he was throwing with Peyton Manning or any top 15 QB. We also put up POINTS with a top 15 QB, unlike Mark. Obviously its all hypothetical and we could lose any game with any QB, but I like our chances MUCH more. The Titans game is a clear win. Not debatable. A good QB doesnt turn the ball over 5 times. Let me make this clear- If we have a QB that doesnt constantly turn the ball over, we win more games. The Texans game- Peyton doesnt throw into JJ Watts hands twice to get picked off. The Bills game- a good QB doesnt throw that pick 6 (a traditional Mark Sanchez throw)... It would have been a much different game then. I definitely think we win that first Pats game also, but Ill leave it at that. ... I have no clue what Im talking about? Alright. Well Im nor sure what games you watched the last 2 years that instilled so much faith in your boy Mark Sanchez. I think its beyond foolish to think that Peyton wouldnt have won 9-10 games here. Let me break this down for you- Yes, we had Kerley, Hill and Schillens as our top receivers for much of the year. But we also had Mark Sanchez who could not read a defense, progress through his reads, make smart decisions and most importantly- hit a receiver accurately. I can not count the number of times I have seen him under throw a receiver so that they either can not make a play on the ball or they have to adjust their route and miss out on YAC opportunities. With a good QB, most of that is solved. 25 or so turnovers turn into 12-15... 6 games won turns into 9 or 10.
I mean once you add the other QB stats to it, it's not even close. One QB threw for 113 TDs in those 4 years, the other 69. One threw for 16,000 yards in those 4 years, the other 12,000. One threw for under 60% one of those 4 seasons at 59.9%, the other QB has never throw higher than 56.7%. Over the 4 years, one QB had a worse YPA at 7.4, the other one had a best of 6.7 One QB's lowest rating was 85.3, one QB's best was 78.2 So yeah when you add more of the whole picture it starts to differ. You can take the bad throws if there a ton of good throws. Look at the Giants game vs TB I believe. Eli threw that game away in the 1st half and then helped the Giants get back in it in the 2nd half and eventually win it
One quarterback won a Superbowl (TWICE) after being doubted. The other butt fumbled after being doubted.
great post! If this doesn't stop the ridiculous comparisons between nacho and Eli, then it must be true.......some people can see the game while others cannot! I don't even like Eli as a Qb, but at least he is better than taco! Any NFL Qb is better than him! To defend nacho by saying Peyton Manning couldn't help this team is the stupidest thing I've ever read on this board, maybe ever! It wouldn't be any different if the Sancho lovers were defending Richard Todd, and us so called haters wanted Dan Fouts!
So every TO was on mark, there's no chance he didn't get good protection, didn't have a reciever run a wrong route, a receiver drop a ball? It was ALL on mark. It's amazing how everything bad that happened to the Jets the last 4 years was all b/c of mark and everything good was all in spite of him. McElroy threw 1 INt yet we still got beat up SD, instead of turning it over he was taking sacks. We had NO ONE open to throw to. If we have a better QB he's throwing it away or taking more sacks rather than try to foce it like Mark. Even if we score on that Seattle drive, they still scored 28 pts and they still didn't lose a game at home last year. To assume we automatically win is foolish. JJ Watt was by far the best defensive player in the game, he batted down balls against EVERYONE this year. peyton w/ many more weapons struggled against hou as well. week 17 the season was over, I take nothing out of that game, When he had somewhat healthy weapons he led our O to 34 pts in a blowout of Buf earlier in the year. The reason the first Pats game got to OT was b/c of Mark and the pass O. Eli has better #s playing in a weaker division(no Pats to worry about) and he's led his team to missing 3 of the last 4 postseasons. in the 2011 NFC title game TWICE Eli threw the ball up for grabs into double coverage where SF Dbs collided or they would have been easy picks, he also got TWO STs TOs that set up all their pts in the 2n hal/OT and saw a clear fumbled ruled down late in the game whereas mark didn't get any TOs in Pitt territory in 2010 and his fumble which easily could have been ruled a pass was ruled a fumble for a TD. That QB also had a defense step up in both title games and both SBs. NYG beat NE 17-14 and 21-17 in 2 neutral site games we beat NE 28-21 AT Foxboro. Eli is far ahead of mark at this point but 2 seasons ago Mark was better and he was better after 3 years in this league, the biggest difference is that NYG kept adding pieces and always surrounded him w/ elite weapons.
guys you have to understand its 175 posts by junc, he isnt going to change his mind or give in even a little bit. he will fight with us for the next 10 years about it. even after mark leaves and goes somewhere else and they cut him and then he cant find a job. he will still tell you how mark was awesome in 2010 and the jets ruined him with bad coaching and poor talent. he will make it even more absurd... not that you can get more absurd than this team would not win more games with peyton manning. or 27th ranked but top 10 best... but i assure you it will happen. and with that, you are officially the first person i have ever put on ignore, anywhere, ever. its just not worth the time to read the drivel.
Nice Post and this shows exactly why Tannenbaum should still be the GM of the Jets. Over the last 4 years he has as many playoff wins as Jerry Reese.
actually it shows more consistent success, since 2009 the Giants made the playoffs ONCE, the Jets twice.
Mark didn't play against SD because he got benched because he was terrible. Peyton never would have played so poorly that he would have gotten benched. We would have beaten SD with Peyton. Peyton wouldn't have stopped Brady from tying the game when we were up 3 or made Hill catch a pass he dropped. But he would have been able to do more with the ball on the NE 18 yardlline other than get sacked and kick a game tying FG. He wouldn't have fumbled in overtime which is what lost the game for us. Your defense of Mark is just ridiculous. We missed the playoffs by 3 games. We lost more than 3 games due to poor QB play. We easily win the Ten, SD and Buff games with Peyton. That alone is good enough to get us in and you would rather argue about which games we still lose just to defend Mark instead of admitting the obvious.
what would you call his role in 2011 and 2012? So if Mark Sanchez is better because he has more playoff wins then other average Jet players on the Jets are better too right? Santonio Holmes>>Calvin Johnson
You don't know that. If Sanchez thinks he hasnt performed up to the contract be may restructure it to make it incentive laden. He's a team player by all accounts and always blames himself, it wouldn't completely shock me if he took less money this year.
