yep he set us back by winning the most playoff games in franchise history. NY Jets 1983-2008 4 playoff wins 2009-2012 4 playoff wins but he clearly set this great franchise back
we've been through this so many times. the jets had a great run game, top of the line offensive line, and a top 5 defense. damn near ANY QB could have succeeded if they were surrounded by that. Once they took the training wheels off and let him throw more, he shit the bed. He's never been a good QB. He's had 1 average season which was 2010 and 3 bad seasons 09, 11, 12.
we had that in 2009, we did NOT have that in 2010 and in 2008 we had similar talent w/ a HOF QB and No Brady to deal w/- remind me how many playoff games we won that year again? Once the talent eroded around him he started to fail.
The point was whether or not Sanchez set the franchise back, right? If Sanchez didn't set the franchise back, why is the position being considered a weakness? In 2008 Bret Favre got hurt, or did you forget that? In 2010 we HAD a great run game with LT having a bounce back year and Greene as the 2nd back. Great O line, and a top 5 defense. ANY QB could have done what they asked Sanchez to do which was to hand the ball off and make safe throws. I'm not saying he didn't play a role in helping us win games in 09 and 10, but to act like he was asked to do as much as other QB's like Brady, Eli, Peyton etc. Once they finally decided to give Sanchez more responsibility he couldn't handle it that's why he failed. Not because "the talent eroded" around him.
how did the most playoff wins in franchise history set us back? you know we hadn't won a playoff game since 2004, right? the last time we won 2 in a single postseason was 1982 so he didn't set anything back and his play in postseason helped us get to 2 title games. Stop w/ the Brett favre hurt excuse, he got hurt in october and played his best(and only good) football in November. He was awful in Dec b/c he was making poor decisions not b/c of an injury. our 2010 run game was ok, LT had a great start but the last 10 games averaged just over 3 YPC. if any QB could have done it why didn't Brett do it against easier competition a year earlier? why haven't the better QBs won as much w/ better talent?
He set the Jets back because he hasn't developed into a franchise QB. He's a bottom 30 QB. In a league with 32 teams he's ranked 35th, that says it all. Like I said ANY QB could have done what the Jets asked him to do, Kyle Boller, Alex Smith, Kyle Orton, Rex Grossman, name em any of them could have just handed the ball off and threw safe throws. How did you know he got hurt in October and even if that was the case, the injury DID affect how he was throwing the ball. That's when Shonne Greene stepped up. Both backs complimented each other. because Bret was hurt. name these better QB's and i'm sure their circumstances might be different.
so why didn't those guys win 4 playoff games? they all had talented teams(some more talented) around them, if it was so easy why couldn't they win? It's documented he got hurt in october, he was just fine until he started playing terribly late in the year then it became an issue b/c he always needs an excuse. Shonn stepped up? those final 10 games he had more than 60 yds rushing just 3 times, he averaged under 3 YPC 6 times but yeah he stepped up and our run game was great! Peyton always had more talent yet he's 9-11 in postseason including 1-1 at home against Mark Philip Rivers has made 1 title game and that happened after he got hurt and the backup led them to the div rd win matt schaub has 1 career playoff win- a home game in the WC rd Matt Ryan has 1 career playoff win I can go on and on.
I see the same mistake of assigning QBs playoff wins as a QB stat is being made here. If Nick Folk misses in IND, the Jets are 2-2 under Rex and Sanchez. Thank god Sanchez had such a clutch leg to send us to Foxboro and get another win for himself as a QB stat... Such a silly argument to act like playoff record is a QB stat. It's a team stat that a QB is part of. Sanchez was a key part of our playoff runs, but the defense was the real star. We shut down some high powered offenses and kept games close until our offense clicked, which as usual under Schotty, we never knew if it was going to happen in a game. The annoying part is that the same QB we could win with in 2009 and 2010, well he got worse and started holding us from getting into the playoffs and that's when the real problem comes. If he can't help us get to the playoffs, what good is playoff play? (a 6 game sample size compared to 50+ regular season starts)
There is two trains of thought here. One if we trade Revis we must keep Landry, and pay the man. If we keep Revis, Landry is expendable. Its that simple.
Landry is a beast, but we still need a good FS that can cover. I believe we will draft that person. Bell was a nice temp fix, but he's getting old and it seems there are more decent safeties in this draft than last years.
The monkey part is great! Spot on. One good year will get you paid. If you figure this amount which I think is accurate, just not a good use of our little cap room to spend it all on Landry. As good as he is, still has an injury history and well we have some big holes elsewhere too
Yup. I expected too much. With you it is Sanchez in every post 24-7 non-stop. Do you even know any other Jets players. And read my post again. Did I say anything positive about Sanchez???? Yes Sanchez had a horrible season. But we don't have to read that in every thread about every player and every situation or scenario. This thread was about Landry and it took about 20 posts for you to add in your typical Sanchez rant. It gets old and tired. We all know how about the QB situation. Can we please talk about something else unless and until the QB situation changes if we are in a thread that does not involve the QB???
who said winning playoff games were easy? the point of this discussion is whether or not Sanchez set the Jets back. Favre was hurt, it's irrelevant whether or not he played well through a stretch with the injury, injuries CAN get worse. He and LT contributed to the Jets top 5 ranking, that is a fact. Peyton- 1 SB, Sanchez 0 SB end of fucking discussion Phillip Rivers has 1 less playoff win than Sanchez Matt Schaub was hurt in 2011 and was playing on bad/average teams for most of his time in Houston Matt Ryan didn't have a top ranked defense and o line as a crutch until 2012
he didn't miss, his QB got him in range for a chip shot FG to win. Kickers don't magically line up for 32 yd chip Fgs to win games. The D was great, we were a D first team but even actual great defenses(which we never were) don't win in january consistently w/o quality QB play. We missed the playoffs in 2011 b/c of the D, he and the rest of the O held us back in 2012 but when you are throwing to kerley, Schilens, Gates, Cumberland & reuland it's hard to win. Favre was fine, stop using that as an excuse, I don't use mark's injury in 2011 as an excuse. Brad Smith and a maningless week 17 gamewhere joe McKnight went off got us in the top 5 which is why we don't just rely on meaningless rankings. Peyton has played over a decade more in this league w/ elite talent around him since day 1. The year peyton finally won a SB he threw 3 Tds and 7 INts. Rivers has been starting 3 more seasons than mark, he has been to the playoffs twice as many times yet has less playoff wins(and it's just 1 b/c Rivers got hurt in one of his wins where the backup came in and led them to the GW TD) The texans have had playoff talent the majority of Schaub's years in the league. He was terrible in his first postseason this year despit unlimited weapons on offense. When has Mark ever had an Arian Foster and Andre johnson on his O? Matt Ryan has the best weapons in the game, matt has played 3 home games and lost 2 of them. he's been in the league a yar longer, has made 2 more postseasons yet has 3 less postseason wins. Ryan is 1-4 throwing 9 TDs and 7 INTs, Mark is 4-2 throwing 9 TDs and 3 INTs. mark doesn't have Gonzalaez, White, Jones, Turner & Rodgers.
My memory might be failing me, but I remember a hell of a kick return and a circus catch by Braylon to get us into position. Lets play a new game instead of stat bashing on both directions. Show us videos of Mark making good throws. Him making good plays. This shouldn't be too hard- youtube can make anyone look like a superstar anyway.
Now we're getting off course with the main point of this discussion. The reason Mark Sanchez held this team back is because we're in the same position that we were in after the 2008 season. That is needing a franchise QB. We currently don't have that on the roster, and if Mark Sanchez was one we wouldn't have to worry about drafting one in the near future. You may say "Mark needs weapons" but that defeats the purpose of what a QB drafted 5th overall is supposed to be. Mark is supposed to make players around him better. If we need to build the ultimate team just for Mark to look average then we could just start mcElroy and save a shit ton of money.
