-The New York Knicks 2012-2013 Season Thread-

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  1. displacedfan

    displacedfan Well-Known Member

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    Shump can but he's not 100% yet so we haven't used him o Paul for more than 5 minutes. Felton can't, Kidd an prig can't, and smith is inconsistent and better chasing someone
     
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    Not really sure if Felton should be out there. He seemed really hurt from the collision.
     
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    Woodson should close with Felton, shump, smith, melo, chandler. Melo hasn't gotten the ball most of the 4th.

    Also clippers bench showed up, ours did not
     
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    Clippers just beat us and Paul closed the door and shut it on us again and again.

    Amare being a key defensive anchor, not happening whoever suggested that. Chandler is still much more valuable.
     
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    And Clippers were able to get into their offense late. We couldn't get Melo the ball late and after having 38 intop the third, he has 42 with 1:30 left in the game.
     
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    Bad loss.

    JR Smith 1/8
     
  7. displacedfan

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    So we were down 6 with about 2:30 minutes left. We subbed Amare for Chandler and lose the game by 14 due to bad defense.

    Either
    a) Chandler is hurt
    b) Woodson is sending a message
     
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    So 40 year old Grant Hill shut down Melo in that 4th quarter...
     
  9. displacedfan

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    I wouldn't say a bad loss. The Clippers are better and showed it. The Wizards were a bad loss.

    I have to believe Shumpert still isn't 100%. He played 21 minutes to Kidd's 33 and Woodson was saying he wanted to keep Kidd to 30 or below when Shump came back.

    Hopefully one of the Knicks reporters asks Woodson about benching Tyson. He only had 2 fouls too. Didn't make sense and we saw why.
     
  10. displacedfan

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    Ehhhh that's stretch, he fronted Melo and the Knicks don't know how to beat that still so Melo rarely got the ball. The way to beat it is to put someone on the free throw line and have them take a quick pass and hit Melo. Chandler/Melo have been working it well but for whatever reason they didn't go to it.

    They also stopped running the Melo/Chandler pick and roll which got Melo his good looks. It would have either put Hill on Chandler or Blake on Melo. They stopped that for some reason.
     
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    Terrible Q4. Watching Felton try to guard Chris was brutal. I'm agreeing with what Magic was just saying about the Knicks.
     
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    I think Magic was 100% off. Simmons called it straight up, bench didn't work good today, Amare/Chandler/Melo still hasn't shown up well, and how do you fit Amare into this.
     
  13. displacedfan

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    Yeah Melo got two shots in the 4th. Not sure why. I'm not saying Iso ball, but Melo at the top of the 3 point line, pick and roll with Chandler. They worked that so well in the third quarter and we said nope to it in the 4th.

    Also Felton, Smith, player X in the corner waiting to get passes then slash.
     
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    Grant Hill didn't shut down shit. People need to watch the games if they're going to be analysts.
     
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    losing at home and not even really being close

    when the clippers are still limited (paul and billups had a cap on their minutes)

    counts as a bad loss to me

    Smith actually finished 1/9. This is the guy Barkley keeps saying should be an all star. 40% from the field, 33% for three.
     
  16. displacedfan

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    Yeah, Grant Hill fronted and the Knicks don't know/don't want to go to the conventional way to beat that for some reason.

    We also took the ball out of Melo's hand in the pick and roll which is what got him on fire.

    But I think Paul wasn't going to let the Clippers lose that game no matter what. It would have been nice to lose the game with not the typical problems we always have though
     
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    Ehh fair enough. I just marked this as a loss when looking at their schedule the week before so I wasn't too surprised. It was the same things rthat have been bogging us down during our win streak and the .500 streak before it so not too surprising. Anytime we go up against a top 5 point guard, going to be a long day. Any time we have to go up against a speedy point guard, still a long day.
     
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    Some key things to look at post All star break:

    a) Rasheed Wallace coming back to be a defensive anchor on the bench unit. Amare can't/shouldn't be doing it

    b) Shumpert returning to 100%, being put on opposing point guards to help Felton.

    c) Limited minutes for Kidd. Rests his legs, hopefully helps him be more effective/efficient with more rest. He is 40. Ties in with b.

    d) Schedule, becomes much much tougher. Including a a 5 game road trip. 2 more MIA games, 2 OKC games, one more LAC, one more Memphis, 2 more IND, 2 more BOS, 2 GS and 2 Utah games and 1 more CHI game.

    e) Less switching on defense?
    netw3rk ‏@netw3rk
    The only reason I can think for Woody switching everything is NY's mix of old/slow players & low defensive IQ players. Just easier to do.

    f) Less unnecessary doubling. We do this often when Melo/Chandler don't need help.

    g) Literally study the Mavs title run 2 years ago. That's where we are going, and not just because of Chandler/Kidd. They were a team with a supposed one dimensional scorer who would never get it, but the team filled around that star perfectly.
     
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    Robert Silverman ‏@BobSaietta
    FYI, the Knicks record v. teams over .500 is 12-11. They're 20-6 v. the rest of the league. Kind of what one would expect for a good team


    Based on the above tweet, we are a good team that has feasted and to become a great team we need to step it up after the AS break. Woodson has the offense pretty much under control. Good feel, it's getting a system to help them defensivvely
     
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    Adam Zagoria ‏@AdamZagoria
    'The Knicks shouldn't even be in trade talks right now.' 'Melo on Shump
     

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