He has been throwing like Chad Pennington since the Jets announced he had a stinger halfway through last season. Maybe you should take advantage of Google, instead of a bottle of bourbon. It was reported that he wasn't going to seek medical treatment after last season ended. It wouldn't have been mentioned if there wasn't an injury. Again, Google. You just described your entire existence in this thread. That's because Schotty sucks. And so does Sparano. Neither of those guy makes Sanchez suck as bad as he did this season or the second half of last season. He went from promising to tragic. Nothing changed but Sanchez. You continuously use this excuse to avoid discussing his performance. And when you don't, you use other exxcuses. You never actually address his actual performance. That would be an interesting post, though. I have defended Sanchez better than you ever will. But there comes a time when you have to cut bait. We need a real answer that doesn't need another 3 years to come to fruition. We traded up to 5 for this guy in 2009 and he's worse now than he was then. Get real. Cut this guy loose.
I am inclined to think that: 1. Sanchez's throwing mechanic has regressed considerably. His footwork is nowhere near what it once was when he was entering the league as a green rookie. That's sad. His sight adjustment is just god awful. Lastly, when he throws, he doesn't use the full body strength. Mostly, he throws off his arm strength only. (It's like throwing off the back foot - only he's not throwing off his back foot. That's the problem.) 2. Last year is not the first year Sanchez went through stinger. The year before, he was hit with stinger for the first time. I am thinking, maybe that is affecting his throwing motion completely. 3. That said, if Sanchez refuses to go through the necessary medical procedure to fix this up, then he is as good as a lost cause. Jets didn't spend 5th overall pick to draft a QB that throws the ball like he does now. 4. Unfortunately, I think Sanchez has gone into the David Carr region. Even when the OL provides sufficient protection (5+ seconds) he still manages to find a wrong spot, and throw with his arm instead of using the full body strength from the foot to the waist to the arm. Result is, as you all know, interception. 5. With last year's dose of Sparano, I am afraid Sanchez's head is ruined as well. By that, what I mean to say is, Sanchez was not that good when it came to reading coverages. (Schottenheimer days.) Still, he could 1. feel the pressure coming. 2. avoid the rush. 3. direct the traffic and 4. throw deep. As of last year? All four are gone. He is thoroughly clueless when it comes to reading defenses. Add this to the fear of injury (refer to: above) and you have one piss-poor QB. I really feel bad for this kid. I really do. Jets did their very best to ruin this kid's future. 6. Unless Marty somehow magically resurrects Sanchez's passing game, Nacho is as good as gone at the end of this year.
So, you now admit that his OCs sucked, but he remains the problem? And no, since mid season he didn't look like ole noodle arm. Week 10 he went 15 of 20, and he played well in week 11. And FWIW at 8 and 3 Favre looked like the second coming...but was mishandled by the same coaching staff. Calling Nacho washed up, is Pre mature and ignoring all available evidence is my only point. Give Mohrinweg a season. It's not possible to make an informed judgement on the available evidence. That's the only fact here. You've already acknowledged half of the problem without getting to throwing to Gates,Gilyyard, and Reuland...... Tell me how he looked under a new offense with a healthy cast week 1?
Nice post Zach. And point 4 is coaching. I believe MM can fix that. The other point that the bashes are missing, but we're all making Vis a Vis Gholston, was how far back wasting a pick like that sets the organization back. They all acknowledge the shitty coaching, but insist you throw a guy overboard, in spite of bad coaching and no supporting cast..when the guy has proven his mettle in big spots same old jets FANS.
Yeah, let's waste two top 10 picks in 5 seasons, when the one we are discussing went 19 and 12 with four road playoff wins under bad coaching...what are you guys Rich Kotitie under multiple aliases.... Sanchez was the greenest rookie to come out in recent memory...to the worst coaching. Phil Simms was a bum for 8 years. Good organizations DEVELOP TALENT. Like coaches. There's a reason the Steelers and the Giants have their rings... They don't panic like women and cut bait.
"Now"? When have I ever argued the opposite? Fantasy. Not worth much, since he is a conviction-less worm. I never called him washed up. But at the point he's at now, we need to move forward. We can't sit here and let him decide to get surgery, then wait for him to have rehab, then wait for him to re-learn his throwing motion. We need an answer. Sanchez isn't suited for a professional WCO. Stop fooling yourself. That's the apologist in you speaking. Three years is plenty enough to determine the future course of action. The argument is not "can Mark Sanchez ever become a good QB"? It's "can the Jets afford to wait for him to develop into one?" They're going to give him another chance to prove himselff, from all appearances. But if you think the guy is going to go from what he did last season to a awakening-type of Drew Brees New Orleans debut, you're fuckign delusional. You never acknowledge the real problem, so I won't bother to humor you here. Like he was playing the Buffalo Bills.
Look Rodgers, and young sat on the Bench for more years than Nacho has played.m And both had complete college careers. I'm not saying he can rise to that level, my only point is a simple one...we don't know what we have, until this coach has a chance t work with him...instead of being intentionally obnoxious, tell the class who we shou,d install instead? Matt Flynn? So tell us all Byz.... Who shou,d be under center week one next year?
Not saying you are wrong but under better coaching, he's only been marginally better than Sanchez, so the question is...with equal coaching who is the better player.
People think that Holmes will come back as a play maker? Do the Jets have a TE on the roster as of 2013? Greene gone. Hill has to step up. Kerley is good. Bring back who else? What a mess the offense is.
From what I know I believe Foles is the answer. I am much more of a Sanchez apologist than hater. I'm very happy with the coaching decisions we've made this off season. Lets be real, Sanchez was thrust into starting in NY after like one full season as a college starter. Comparison: Aaron Rodgers rode the bench for 3 or 4 years under Favre after a full college career. So yes, I'm misguidedly hopeful for Sanchez, he was underdog from day one and I want to see the underdog pull through. But I believe Foles would win the starting job. He's an underdog right now himself... Here's what I know: Foles threw an ave. 38 times per game. Completed 60.8% of his passes behind one of the, if not the, worst O-lines in the NFL. He was pressured/hurried more than almost any qb in the league. In comparison, RG3 and Wilson threw about 10 less times per game for about the same %, Foles thew like one or two passes less than Luck but completed 10% more. He started 7 games. McCoy and Jackson were out of the lineup for 4 of those and Avant was out for 2. He still produced. His TD ratio for his first 7 games is almost exactly what RG3, Luck, Wilson's were. His INT per pass attempt ratio was 5th lowest in the league. His scouting report downside is that he's a slow runner (who cares, he's a qb) and is a gunslinger (bring the 'sling I say). His upside is that he's big, makes all the throws, and has all the intangibles: he doesn't get fazed by pressure in the pocket, numerous scouting reports describe him as a warrior. Do I need to mention the horrible positions this guy was put in by the Philly defence? We are looking at a guy who, in his first 7 games performed as well or better than RG3, Wilson, and Luck, and he did so in a much worse situation. Close your eyes and imagine the Jets with their qb being: RG3 Russell Wilson Andrew Luck Jizz your pants yet? Ok, now that you had time to change undies, recognize this: Nick Foles' performance as a rookie QB was right on par with those three AND he did it on a team that was the furthest thing from playoff caliber. I could go much more in depth, I was thinkin of making a thread about it but I'm afraid it will get merged in with some other qb thread and get lost in all the Sanchez debate diatribe. With Chip Kelly going with an option qb (no doubt at all he will) we really need to make an offer for Foles. He is a very realistic option! He is THE perfect WCO QB. Good mechanics, good footwork, sneaky in the pocket, can make quick decisions. He's the guy that WE AS A FAN BASE need to get behind.
My sentiments EXACTLY! Samich-ez was able to produce in this manner (for example) evidenced by his 40-sec, 4th qtr comeback vs Houston in 2010 (game-winning td to Santonio). IMHO, it's all starts with his brain-piece! He's got the requisite skills, talent & phys ability to perform at a level equivalent to what's being offered @ qb today, He just needs to use a modicum of common sense (if it's not there,scramble or just throw it away), recognize his & the OFFs' limitations & the need to ck-down/overule side-line play calls if pos ydg cannot be attained what he see's def'ly on the field.
We're not in court, counselor, you don't have to appeal to the jury. I have seen constant comparisons to Eli Manning and Drew Brees over the course of the past four years, so why not Steve Young and Aaron Rodgers? Hell, people tried to compare Pennington to Joe Montana a while back. The only thing I take from these comparisons is that if your argument is that weak, you will have no shame when trying to create an artificial leg to stand on. Sanchez will always have another coach to work with. Probably every two or three years. That's the textbook definition of a backup quarterback. A guy that can never really out it together, but if you put him in the absolute perfect scenario, he can succeed. To a point. That is not what you tie your franchise to. That is an emergency situation. The Jets have been chaining themselves to these boat anchor QBs for as long as I can remember. And you are the last person that needs to identify someone else as being "intentionally obnoxious". That could almost be your username. We need a stopgap to compete with the lame duck quarterback that became untradeable the moment he was extended last offseason. Kyle Orton would likely beat out Sanchez in a competition in the WCO, and keep the Jets competitive until they could find a true answer.
Junc, try and pay attention to the obvious: Games like that happen to Sanchez ALL OF THE TIME. If it were every once in a while, we all could deal with it. Quite simply, he has more bad games then he has good games because he's not a good player. False. With the Miami game in particular, we didn't get NFL caliber quarterback play from our supposed NFL franchise quarterback (especially in the second half). You continually point to a key play here or a key drive there, but you repeatedly miss the fact that our quarterback played poorly for the majority of both games. If he plays at an average-to slightly above average level, play in and play out, we win that Miami game comfortably. The problem with this is that Sanchez requires an inordinate amount of top level talent around him to succeed. You are essentially arguing that Sanchez will have success if we supply him with the proverbially "stacked" team. Well, no fucking shit. If he were even a marginal NFL quarterback, that would be true. When someone points to an awful game Sanchez played (there are so many), your retort is typically to point to one or two sequences in the game where some other aspect of the team (Usually the defense) had a letdown. What you always fail to address is the reality that Sanchez, the Jets starting quarterback and most important player on the field, performed poorly for VIRTUALLY THE ENTIRE GAME, thereby rendering the team's other minor failures on particular plays far less consequential or significant. The bottom line is that in the modern NFL, it is almost impossible to play around your quarterback. As has been discussed ad nauseam, the NFL is a passing league, and thus, your team NEEDS its quarterback to be a strength and not a weakness, to consistently compete with the upper-echelon teams. Your team needs a guy who can let his play set the tone for the rest of the team. Mark Sanchez has had ample opportunity to prove that he is that guy. Sadly, he isn't.
