that's the problem, there weren't open receivers. Kerley was our #1 most of the year, good player but a 3rd or 4th option on most teams.
partially, not for all games but more than enough to make a determination. I didn't buy the package but I watched various games on a friends computer. If it was 10 years ago and I was single w/o kids I would have the package and be combing through the footage weekly. I don't have that time anymore
You do this a lot. This is a classic example of a Non Sequitur. (In all seriousness, do you know what that means?)The point is that Sanchez didn't play well. Yes, I understand that the defense gave up the lead on the final drive, but that is IRRELEVANT to the issue at hand and is unrelated to my conclusion. Mark played extremely poorly in the game. We are discussing Sanchez's performance, and in that game, it was unacceptable. See # 1. Again, the defense wasn't perfect, but that is completely unrelated to the fact that sanchez's play was putrid. Again, logically speaking, while true, your intrusion about the defensive breakdown on a particular drive has no bearing to the argument at hand: Sanchez' s performance was entirely unforgivable . . . with reasonable play from the quarterback position, we win that game comfortably. See #1. Yes, our defense broke down in a HUGE spot. But again, Sanchez just didn't play well. He was very inaccurate, missed some relatively simple throws, and couldn't move the ball consistently in the second half. No chance. Sanchez missed an inordinate # of open receivers this year. In several games he actually missed guys who were open for walk in touchdowns, while in other games he just missed guys streaking down the field for 15-30 yard gains. Montana's inherent accuracy, competent decision making, and ability to read the field would have totally changed the complexion of our offense. We wouldn't have been great, but there is little doubt in my mind we would have eeked out 10 wins with our schedule being as soft as it was. Getting even average quarterback play would have ensured victory in the Tennessee game 20 times over.
1) he didn't play well but did you read what I wrote before your previous post? "better QB play we probably win the Den game " post #656 2) first off the team was a dead team having lost the previous 2 weeks and now needing a miracle to make the playoffs. 2nd, we had the lead in the 3rd until that back breaking drive. A week earlier it was quick strike 99 yarder, this week was a slow, painful death of 13 mins and 20+ plays against a dreadful offense. 3) we were in control of that giant game until that game/season changing play for both times. Momentum is huge for teams, that play changed everything. did he miss receivers? sure, every QB does but it wasn't a crazy amount and far too often his receivers had no seperation and he was forcing balls in. I don't think you realize just how bad the weapons were for the majority of the year.
I used to tape every single game, I have hundreds of games in my "archives" and I'd watched them over and over and dissect them the best I could but once my wife and I had our first child everything changed and now that we have 2 and they are running around like crazy I'm lucky I have time to go to and watch games. I don't know half as much as I used to know pre-kids.
JUNC you need to step into the present. This isn't 1980. EVERY rule in the book works to help the offense score points. Every one. So guess what ... they're supposed to score, and they're going to ... Unless they have Mark Sanchez or Ryan Lindley as their QB. There is no such thing as a shut down defense anymore, so your offense better be able to put points on the board. Please stop trying to portray the Jets defense as the problem. The Jets had one of the best defenses in football from 2009-2011. Give that defense to any elite QB and they probably win the Super Bowl in any of those years. The 2012 defense lost their best player and still played well enough to win most weeks if not for constantly being victimized by Sanchez's ineptitude. The defense isn't the problem on this team and never has been. Just stop it. The problem has always been the QB. We can't win with this quarterback ... UNLESS we supply him with a roster of offensive all stars, the best defense in football and then ask him to please stay out of the way as much as possible. Just what you want from the #5 pick in the draft.
Then what's your point? Why are you bothering to defend Sanchez? He was irrefutably awful in that game. As has been the case with most Jets games in the past two seasons, anyone who watched that game saw that he was the weakest link on the team. All true . . . but again, Sanchez was awful in the game and was STILL the biggest single reason we lost the game. Again, that is the recurring theme of Jets games over the past several seasons: Sanchez playing poorly. Yep, momentum swung on the Cruz play. No question. But Sanchez still played very erratically most of the game. He was still fundamentally inaccurate (30 of 59 with several missed throws that were there to be made) and inconsistent. As is usually the case . . . he just wasn't good. The reality that you continually gloss over and adamantly refuse to accept is that Sanchez has been a (and most would say THE) defining weakness of the team since he was drafted. Generally speaking, he just doesn't play very well and his supporters are routinely forced to twist the tenets of logic and common sense in order to rationalize his overtly disappointing play.
Exactly. The constant need to upgrade all of these other areas of the team (which would pretty much make those areas elite, or, at least, close to elite) for the sake of Sanchez's success is an implicit problem with Sanchez.
if I'm an average fan for recognizing his cruddy play even in these limited roles, it makes you and your very small group of taco supporters way below average! There is no way the jets traded up in the draft and then used the #5 pick on a player at the Qb position who just shows up from time to time in between runs to throw those clutch passes as you call them! Get real! How many turnovers did he have as a rookie? 10? 11? 12? Yea he is real clutch! They drafted him to be a franchise Qb, otherwise we would have taken a game manager of his level after the draft! It is a new kind of spin though, good try!
So, you're contentions that in all those playoff games he made no clutch plays? Interesting He didn't beat Brady, and Manning on the road in the same post season....yes...you're right. It was everyone BUT Sanchez. Fcol
I'm the fool? No a fool would believe that a Qb making a handful of plays is on par with so many other Qb's that make 3-4 times that amount! You are also completely out of your mind if you think he is the reason that we beat manning or Brady! Especially when every fan that watches our team without nachos jock draped over their head can understand that his contribution was way below par in comparison to other Qb's. yea I'm right, and your biased defense of your inept Qb continues! Nice try again! Maybe when we get a real Qb you will be astonished to see good play from the position, or will that go over your head?
Sanchez beat Manning?? :lol: How many points did Peyton put on the board that game? 16. What was their average point total that season? 27. How many yards did we rush for in that game? 170. How did Sanchez do when were were driving at the end of the first half? Typical stupid Red Zone INT. How many passes did he complete on our 1st TD drive? ONE. Sanchez did a nice job on the game winning FG drive ... but any sane fan knows that we won that game with our defense, and by taking over with our running game in the second half, after Sanchez led us to ZERO points first half. The Colts defense gave up 24 ppg that year, and only gave up less than 20 in four games. We managed to put up 14, before that last second FG. If you think Mark Sanchez was the reason we won that game, you better start watching hockey in the Winter.
People that give Sanchez a pass tend to note that he outplayed those other QBs without realizing that there is undoubtedly a difference when you have a really good D and running game behind you. Your mistakes matter less and you get more opportunities. It is easy to say that Sanchez outplayed Rivers/Brady/Manning and that Rivers choked when they were being asked to do way more.
That's interesting since we were a top 10 scoring O most of 2011 and ended up in the top half of the league at 13th. Great Ds don't consistently give up late leads. We have been a D first team since day 1 of Rex, we have relied on the D and the D came through more often than not the first 2 years but still failed far too often. He was awful that game, games like that happen. The D was put in a great position w/ a bad pass O at their own 5 w/ a few mins to play and a 3 point lead. At the very least they could have heled Den to a FG, they failed. The O and Mark failed too but the D put the dagger in us. The single biggest reason we lost to NYG and Mia was the 99 yd TD then the 13 min drive at Mia. The NYG D started playing championship caliber D that day, they shut down Aaron Rodgers on the road and tom Brady in the SB- no shame there for mark. He has been up and down but mostly up when he had talent, get him talent and we'll win. 3 of his top 4 weapons in 2011 were out of the league in 2012 In 2012 he had Kerley, Schilens(was rumored to be cut in camp), Gates(was cut by MIAMI), Cumberland and reuland as his main weapons. He's had absolutely no help, no QB could succeed w/ those weapons. I don't think you guys realize just how bad the weapons were. It was 1995 esque- ask boomer about that. 16 pts is more than the average pts Peyton puts up in playoff losses. Peyton has lost 11 playoff games, in the 10 other playoff losses he led his O to 14.7 PPG and he failed late in the game, one more 1st down he gets his K an easier FG and doesn't allow mark and the Jets O time but he settled for a 50+ yarder and we had just under a minute to win it which we did thanks to mark setting our K up for a chip shot FG.
It's funny how the entire football world considers that there is a winning QB, and a losing QB...in any given game. Until its Sanchez bashing time. (odd how you ignore the NE game where he did drive the outcome, but hey don't let reality get in the way of a good argument) We all know that QBs don't play each other directly, that argument is infantile. But one goes on to play another day, and one doesn't.
Jake Steinberg @Steiny31 Breaking: Per source, the #Jets have reached out to Mark Sanchez to explore restructuring his contract. #nyj
