Joe Flacco played at an elite level during the playoffs. I still have him in the second tier of QBs (very high) but just under Peyton, Brady, Rodgers, and Brees in no order. I have those 4 as in the "elite" tier and then Ryan, Eli, Big Ben, and Flacco right below them. Then 9-20ish is a straight up mess to figure out
Not sure about the need for this thread other than to come up with another creative way to flame Sanchez. Flacco has been better than Sanchez right along, so you're not breaking any new ground. Just piling on IMO.
Well, just last year Flacco outplayed Brady on the road in NE and was let down by his receiver (and kicker) in the clutch. Not against you in particular, and I'm not a Flacco fan either, I don't know what's with the "Flacco's had just one good playoff run" thinking. The guy deserved to be in the SB last year as well. And I wouldn't have minded the Ravens chances in last year's SB either. But we'll never know... and that's NOT on Flacco.
elite is way overused - Flacco was a middle of the road QB all season until the playoffs/ 22 TDs 12 INTs and he had a top tier deep threat, a monster aggressive receiver in Boldin, two solid TEs, Ray Rice running the ball and catching out of the backfield -- with the SB win the Ravens are in a position to overpay flacco which is an issue given the fact they have older veterans leaving the team and some space on the roster to rebuild. Flacco had a great playoff run but is not elite. Hell in 2011 Sanchez accounted for 32 TDs.
I agree, Flacco is solid overall, but not elite. I wasn't wowed by his playoff performance although he did a very good job with a very good line protection as well. I was more wowed by his receivers, no fear over the middle, and just making plays on every pass and frequently out jockeying defenders for the jump ball. It must be a good feeling to know you can lob it up when in trouble and expect to get a completion. Flacco did display solid veteran composure and stayed within himself by not over doing things. If I were the Ravens' GM, I would be very hesitant to give him a contract befitting of elite QB status.
He's had good regular seasons and a good playoff runs for a while. He hasn't made a jump like Rodgers did but he's still been a top 15-top 10 QB before this playoff run. Sanchez also accounted for 30+ turnovers in his 30 TD year right? If you give the ball up so often, it cancels out how well you are scoring. Like a high volume shooter in basketball almost.
Flacco: Tds(pass/rush) vs. TOs(INT/fumble) 2008: 16 TDs 14 TOs 2009: 21 TDs 14 TOs 2010: 26 TDs 14 TOs 2011: 21 TDs 18 TOs 2012: 25 TDs 14 TOs Sanchez: 2009: 15 TDs 23 TOs 2010: 20 TDs 14 TOs 2011: 32 TDs 26 TOs 2012: 13 TDs 26 TOs the only really bad year was this past year in terms of Tds to TO ratio in comparison to Flacco. Flacco seems to be around 14 total TOs a year, a # Sanchez should strive, a # much more realistic when you elevate the talent around him. The only year we had comparable talent on o to what Bal has was 2010 and he was 20 to 14 which is very Flacco like. Bal did a great job surrounded Flacco w/ talent, we did a poor job.
1.14 to 1 1.5 to 1 1.86 to 1 1.17 to 1 1.79 to 1 .65 to 1 1.43 to 1 1.23 to 1 .5 to 1 You think those ratios are similar? Flacco has been way more consistent and never dipped into hurting his team more than helping it based on those numbers. Dig deeper
Beast: you are really slipping, there's no need for the last sentence. I know you are trying to make a name for yourself on the board but do it w/ quality posts. The only really bad year fro mark was this past year, prior ro mark wasn't far behind Flacco in the reg season and better in postseason. If we surround him w/ talent even close to Bal he will succeed again.
Sanchez 2009: 15 TD, 30 TO 2010: 20 TD, 22 TO 2011: 32 TD, 28 TO 2012: 13 TD, 32 TO BTW, these are the numbers I'm getting when I look at combined fumbles and picks.
I don't think that's a certainty and you have to be concerned about his mental state and whether that rejuvenation can happen in NY.
Ah. Got me. Although that really isn't an indicator of how well the QB is protecting the ball but I will concede it. I think including all for both QBs is a better indicator of judging them though. But that's just me
I don't think looking at blind #s tells us everything. Just b/c a QB fumbled or threw an INT doesn't necessarily make it his fault.
I agree wholeheartedly but you just moved the goalposts. We were looking at raw numbers. If we want to get into fault that is a completely different subject.
I understand, just pointing out that not all TOs are the fault of the QB- I think we all know that but sometimes it needs to be discussed.
