Mock Offseason - A Slightly Different Take

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  1. 74

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    Why don't you like Dion?
     
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    I don't like Manziel too much. I saw one game of his (Bowl Game) and I noticed that he ran way to much. I like my QBs to be more pass first, if nothing run than one quick look and run.
     
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    Cordarrelle Patterson would of been my pick if we go with a WR. We do lack the star power at the skills position. Someone who can take over the game or even just command a double team and free up other players. Tyrann Mathieu would make perfect sense to since realistically though I want Revis and Cro together they wont be back together
     
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    If we want a Franchis QB he has to be one who stays in the pocket and passes first. I dont care if he is slow. Elway, Peyton, Eli, Brady, Luck vs Vick, RG3, Cam Newton, Randall Cunningham. The Qb's that ran were exciting until they get hurt the ones who stay in the pocket havr longer careers.
     
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    Exactly. Honestly, I think RG3 will be out of the league before Sanchez if he keeps running and not protecting himself. He has all the talent in the world, but all the running will catch up with him, actually it already did, and opponents are only getting bigger and faster.

    I like Teddy because from what I've heard, I can relate him to Aaron Rodgers. A guy who can air in the pocket, make all the throws, and smart with his decisions, but has the speed to pick up a first down IF necessary. I don't watch college football so I wouldn't know for sure, but Ive read that he has 4.6 speed but rarely uses it because he is so good in the pocket.
     
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    Thats True. ... This year if we loaded up on offense I that think we would be good and at least what ever QB we selected would have weapons and protection
     
  7. ajax

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    Players I think give Jets a chance to trade down:

    • DeMarcus Millner (lots of playoff & playoff bubble teams looking for CB)
    • Ansah (if he does well in combines, I think every 4-3 defensive team wants him
    • Fisher (I think the dropoff after him @ OT is big enough that other teams can't be sure they'll get somebody good enough to start @ OT day 1.
    • Early teams to QB crazy and there's already 3 off the board (this will mean lots of good players dropping & teams may now be ready to move up).
    • Jarvis Jones (Early teams panic over his health & somebody later seizes that opportunity).

    Not saying Jets should pass on all the players I've listed above. Only giving list of players who I think give Jets an opportunity to trade down.

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    Concerning your mock draft, I agree DeMarcus Millner gives Jets an opportunity to trade down. However, I'm not in agreement that Kennan Allen is the right choice @ 13. Don't think the gap betwen him and next tier of WR is not big enough that Jets are forced to grab him in round 1.

    After round 2, I think Jets chances of grabbing an OL good enough to step in and start go down a lot. So you're starting next season with basically the same OL & I think it's gonna be a disaster with Slauson & Vlad over @ OG. Vlad has been terrible with zone blocking schemes & sitting on his outside shoulder will be Howard who is at best average. Mangold will be forced to baby sit Vlad which leaves another not so good OG on his other shoulder to fend for himself.

    Concerning Stepfan & I like him a lot but is he going to be much better than RB available in round 3? There's also a realistic chance that Stepfan himself is available in round 3.

    Round 4 - Williams is a project who needs to bulk up. He could turn out to be really good down the road but he'll have minimal impact next season. That leaves Cornellius Carradine as the only potential starter added to next year's D & Carradine isn't a lock himself to be productive.

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    Like the idea of adding WR & RB & think offense needs playmakers badly. Later pick on Matt Scott seems like a good idea. Scott can sit for one year and challenge whatever QB Jets draft next season for starter & backup QB. If Sanchez repeats the same performance then Scott will also get a chance to start ending of this season.

    Would be great if Garrett Gilkey can come in and start. Didn't watch him play but I've read some articles on him. Division 2 player able to come in compete for starting job would make one heck of a story. He's gonna be a late round pick anyway so it's not like anybody in that round is a sure thing.

    Sorry if I come across as negative. Your mock draft was interesting and I like the idea of trade down based on what you had left on the board. Also liked the areas you tried to address in your draft.
     
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  8. JetFanInPA

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    I think that's likely more realistic, but if they traded down and the board looked like this, I'd be open to WR at #13.

    There are a few teams I could see going with a RB at the bottom of the first or the top of second... Of course, a lot will happen between now and April so you never know. I'd be happy with Lacy or Bernard too, but I think Taylor could be a good one.

    And that's a surprise that Taylor didn't get picked within the first three rounds. I'd be very surprised if that was the case. But hey, it'd be even better if he could be had in the 3rd.


    It's not necessarily about not liking Dion as much as it is trying to throw a different strategy out there. In this scenario, it was between Dion Jordan, Keenan Allen or Cordarelle Patterson for me.
     
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    One thing I was thinking about when you list:
    TRADE: Tampa Bay trades 1(13), 3 & 6 to New York for 1(9)

    Now that Jets have an extra 3rd & 6th, maybe the should consider jumping up in the 2nd round to grab Giovani Bernard? I think it'll cost them less than the 3rd and 6th they acquired from Tampa Bay.
     
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    I agree that there may certainly be some viable options for the Jets to collect more picks and that's the way to go. This team needs to get younger and rid itself of a lot of the guys with huge contracts.

    In your opinion, who would you select at #13 if the board looked like this? Not trying to call you out, just curious what direction others would go if most of the pass rushers and Chance Warmack are off the board.

    That's one thing about this scenario: We're counting on the guys from last year minus Brandon Moore... Don't forget that the Jets line ranked third in the NFL by PFF, which certainly says something about it. Howard actually played pretty well this year and graded out well. I think it would be very possible that the Jets look to bring in a veteran RG if they didn't address the line early. I feel Ducasse has progressed and that he might get a chance to replace Brandon Moore if he isn't resigned. But you bring up a good point about the change in blocking schemes - not sure which of the guys up front are good fits and which aren't. That's something I'd look into for a future draft.

    Value is a relative thing... Right now, I feel he might be taken in the 2nd round, but too early to make any predictions obviously.

    And I agree that Williams is a project just because of his size, but he might be able to contribute on passing downs initially.

    I like what I see about Scott... One concern though is that he's need to bulk up.

    No need to worry about coming off as negative - I'm not asking anyone to be totally on board or anything. I just wanted to throw a different perspective out and get a little discussion.
     
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    That's interesting because the idea of trading up actually crossed my mind... Certainly could be an option, but I decided against it because I'm a fan of Stepfan Taylor and didn't want the Jets to lose picks.
     
  12. ajax

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    That's one thing about this scenario: We're counting on the guys from last year minus

    Assuming the board goes the way you've predicted, I'd be leaning towards:
    Dion Jordan or Lane Johnson and also really consider the safeties. In all 3 scenarios the Jets get a starter. If you've made up your mind that 2nd round must be Stepfan then I'd choose Lane Johnson in the first round & one of those 3rd rounders would be OLB.

    Your trade gives two 3rd rounders & you'll still have good chance to add legit WR in 3rd round. They won't rank as high as Allen but you'll still land a solid WR prospect. From 1st round to 3rd round, I think dropoff in WR talent is small when compared to the dropoff in front seven & OL.

    In Mid-first round, I think rookies in OL & Front Seven can go straight from the draft into Jets starting lineup.
     
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    Personally, I see way more potential in Mingo. The biggest knock on Mingo is his production, and yet, Jordan only had 5 sacks himself. I get the feeling that people are taken by Dion's size and I think he will be a good defensive player, but I don't think he will be a sack specialist. He's fast, he can cover, and hes physically imposing though, so I'd like him, I'm just not sure he's the best fit.
     
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    Jordan played a lot of coverage. It's normal for him to sit on whoever is lined up on the slot & makes sense he wouldn't have high sack numbers. Mingo hasn't shown coverage abilities like Jordan. I'm seeing Mingo more as raw 4-3 DE than OLB.
     
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    if we take a receiver in the first I hope it's Patterson.
     

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