None of them played for Schottenheimer either. Riddle me this Batman...how much did Favre, and Pennington up their QBR after escaping...? And do we need to discuss the Seattle game, where they took an injured Favre to Seattle....in the Snow...against an undersized quick D...and put it up 38 times (or so) instead of running it.
But Junc doesn't believe Schotty was a bad OC. If you buy into Schotty was a good OC then it makes it even harder to figure out Sanchez. Yes Hobbes, most QBs in the league can play, the whole thing is playing like that consistently. Also, the STL game he threw 20 times and threw 1 TD. That was the game where twice on 3rd and goal we ran draw plays and scored with Powell in the RZ. Do you mean a different game? Usually when people reference "QBS playing" it's them lighting a team up, not playing within the team and not screwing up. Yes Sanchez wasn't developed properly, and yes we took away the talent around Sanchez after year 2. That doesn't absolve Sanchez for mechnical problems, footwork problems, staring down open receivers, not protecting the ball, and not leading receivers. Those are on the QB. There are other things like timing, routes, etc that fall on the WR. If Sanchez plays like he did in year 4, I find it hard to believe he could beat Moore or Campbell in QB controversy. If he works on the basics he can become a good QB and beat them out. However, that's the whole trick to becoming a great QB, doinig the good stuff consistently and limiting the bad stuff. If it was easy, there wouldn't be 2-3 elite QBs 10-15 franchise QBs, and the remaining 16 teams looking for QBs of the future
I was talking about his rookie year, he had the 5 INT game vs. Buf as a rookie. Not a thing of beauty but not awful and led us back from 21-10 down to take a 22-21 lead on a 90 yd drive that ended w/ a TD w/ 5 mins left but of course our "great" D allowed jax to milk the clock and kick the GW FG. He has Michael Turner, Roddy White, Julio Jones and Tony Gonzalez. Each one individually would have been the best weapon mark ever had(besides Turner) and he has them all at the same time. Flacco's first good postseason game was at NE in the '11 title game. He was not very good prior to that, he was not making plays to wins games. The playoffs mean more than the reg season, I'd rather have a mediocre reg season QB who steps up(like Flacco this year) than a great reg season QB who melts(like Rivers or Romo). 75% of sanchez's INTs came in just 4 games, dalton's season didn't skew like that. he was more consistent but in the biggest game of the year threw 0 TDs and 3 INTs.
I completely agree Schotty was a bad influence, like when we dropped back against the NYG pass rush 60 times in 2011. He didn't do a very good ridding Sanchez of his bad habits. I 100% agree Schotty was not a good influence for Sanchez. However, again, not everything is black and white. We cannot blame Schotty for all of Sanchez's problems. He was part of the reason the whole offense was inconsistent, but never the sole reason. He needed to go and he went. Yet, Sanchez's problems we saw rookie year, we again in his 3rd year, and we saw again this 4th year. That's the worrisome part.
we have to be fair about Shottenheimer. he got Chad after TWO shoulder surgeries on his throwing shoulder he got Favre in his first new system in 16 years a month before the season, a guy who was busy giving detroit tips on how to beat GB rather than diving into his NYJ playbook.
Circumstances dictated those pass attempts, it looks bad w/o context but we were constantly in 2nd and 3rd and longs all game long and all season long we were playing cacth up and had to throw.
That's we we diverge. Schotty never evolved, after the Polian rule, and always tried to out "cute" his opponent.l,instead of adapting to the rules. That's why we can't get past the pats. They are built around the 6 to 10 yard play.
The argument that you can't "throw out" bad games is silly. The idea that composite stats are meaningful is silly; they're just convenient. Three bad games plus three good games = inconsistent, not average. Assessing the level of a season's worth of play in one or two words is pointless and meaningless. Sanchez isn't terrible every week, he has certain abilities. At the same time he's not reliable and you can't trust him to show up in big games. On that basis it's insane to count on him for the long term, but not insane to take another look at him in changed circumstances.
Flacco 3 postseason ago threw for 41/64 3 TDs and 1 INT. The year after (last year) 36/63 4 TDs, 1 INT. You missed those two years. Actually the Tuner injury was eerily similar to our Greene injury in 2009-2010 championship game. THe Falcons weren't able to run the ball as we weren't then and let the other team get back into it. If you don't play well in the regular season, you don't make the playoffs. Have you not learnt this the last two years from Sanchez. What good is Sanchez in the playoffs if he can't lead us there. He had too many crucial TOs that kept us from the playoffs in 2011. This year, must win game against TEN, threw 4 picks? Good play in a sample size doesn't mean much if you can't reach the playoffs to hypothetically play well there. And guess what the "must win" games in TEN this year, in MIA last year, agaisnt DEN in 2011, those are very important too. To be in the playoffs, you have to make the playoffs. To make the playoffs, you have to help your team get there. So Dalton playing consistent is downer? That's great. If Sanchez played consistent we wouldn't be having a competition at QB this offseason. Again you are judging one QB, Sanchez, by removing his 4 worst games. THen you are concentrating on Dalton's one bad game. If you are removing someone's 4 worst games, you have to remove their 4 best games to balance it. If you remove someone's 4 worst games, you have to remove 4 wrost games for the people you are comparing against. Yes Junc as usual, if you take away all of Sanchez's bad games, he hasn't played bad. Just like if you take out all the spades in a deck of cards, the deck of cards doesn't have spades
Junc I hate to say it but his offense sucks. It's rooted I'm long developing pass plays, when the modern NFL is 3 to 5 step drops, 6 yards and out as a base . G &P is for late in the game when you're ahead. Side to side tire the defense. Then kick them in the balls.
No they didn't. We were down 3 at halftime. We dropped back 31 times in the first half. Down 3 to start the second half, we threw 3 straight times and punted. Down 3, we run for 5,8,4. 2nd and 6 sack. 3rd and long, incomplete. That's 36 times down 3 with 10 mintues left in the 3rd. Down 3, penalty affected drive, throw 3 times. At 38. Down 3, pass 3 more times, at 41 Giants then throw up 7 to make it 10 points ot start the 4th. Down 10, two passes, one INT at 43, now down 13 with 13 left. Now I agree you pass and we finally scored. Get the ball back down 6 at our 50, pass, pass, sack. Now at 46 attempts. We go back to pass, sack, at 47. Then down 15 we have to pass. with little time left. Greene rushed 14 for 58 or over 4 ypc. LT rushed for 5 for 29, almost 6 ypc that game. Rushing the ball would have won us the game, we panicked and acted like a 3 point deficit was 20 points. Good post. He should get a shot at competing for the job. He should not be handed it. Even if we go into next season with McElroy, Tebow, and Sanchez, there needs to be an open competition.
but we got past the Pats in 2010. The reason we can't do it in the reg season is b/c they have Tom Brady and no one else does. I do agree I hated how he would get cute / trick plays, that was my biggest complaint but overall I thought he did a good job. when he had 3 and 1 2 of them came in the KC blowout where he had no pressure. At Pitt he had a 21-7 halftime lead and couldn't win that game and his INT set up the game tying TD. last year he had 2 Tds and 0 INts vs. Hou buit wasn't very good against a team they should have blown out w/ a backup rookie QB. so you are saying sanchez played well in the reg season in '09 & '10? Other QBs didn't have kerley, Schilens, gates, Cumberland, reuland as their main weapons. I guarntee you Flacco isn't making the playoffs w/ those weapons. Dalton had a good rookie year where they feasted on bad teams and once in postseason he was dreadful.
At the point the Jets are at Rt now Sanchez will get another shot for a couple of big reasons. 1. The circumstances last season 2. Who do you bring in that is better that we can afford. names being batted around Matt Moore- Is he really better than Sanchez with the weapons Sanchez had? Jason Campbell- Really? he would run out of NY faster than Neil O'Donnell Alex Smith/ Matt Flynn- Can the Jets afford them are that they that much better? I see the Jets drafting a QB after the first round bringing in an above mentioned QB. Unless the Rookie shines Sanchez will start with a short leash.
1st possession: 8 passes, 3 runs, TD 2nd: pass 1st down for 8 yds, sets up 2nd and 2 next 1st down gain 6 w/ Kerley setting up 2nd and 3r6 and 6. 2 inc passes 3rd: LT 2 runs to make it 3rd and 4 4th: 4 passes for 26 yds resulting in 2 1st downs 5th: 2 runs for 5 yds setting up 3rd and 5 6th: get ball back w/ 2 mins left attempt 11 passes In 1st half we attempted 30 passes and 12 runs. To me that says we were moving the ball getting a lot of plays off and before the final drive where Mark set up a near chip shot FG that was missed it was 19 and 11 where 7 of 10 came from TOUCHDOWN drive. where are the issues? In the 2nd half: 3 and out w/ 3 passes, ok maybe we should ahve run but when you fail on 1st and and set up 2nd and 10 it makes it difficult. next pos: 3 runs, 2 passes next pos: 2 runs for 1st down then a penalty forcing 1st and 15 foricng us to pass, then another penalty next: 2 passes setting up 3rd and 4, penalty setting up 3rd and 9 next: now we are down 17-7 late rd into 4th so we HAVE to pass. down 20-7 we run on 1st down losing a yard. from that point on we passed 24 times When you look at a stat sheet w/o context it looks really bad but watching the game and examining it it wasn't bad at all as far as the pass to run(the game itself was awful).
The 2010 season was a long way from "very good". At best you can say that overall, he gave us average play for an NFL QB. He had 2 good games and one bad game in the playoffs: Regular Season 3 Atrocious Games - Baltimore, New England2, Miami2 3 Bad Games - Minnesota, Denver, Green Bay 3 Acceptable Games - Buffalo1, Cincinnati, Pittsburgh 3 Good Games - Miami1, Cleveland, Chicago 3 Very Good Games - New England1, Detroit, Houston Playoffs Indy - Bad NE - Good Pitt - Good So 18 starts, and only 8 of them could be called good or very good. 7 of them were just plain bad or completely atrocious. The other three were simply acceptable ... meaning he didn't play well, but not bad enough to kill us. Other guys made the big plays to help us win those games. So in who's world besides yours, is that considered a "Very Good" season for a QB? I'll answer that myself -- Nobody's. The sad part is, that was his best work by far ... and he's about 100 miles south of that by now.
It's important to remember how the Raven last two post season losses ended. Against Pittsburgh, Boldin dropped a ball in the end zone with 3 and change left. The game then ended when Houshmandzadeh dropped a 4th and 18 pass with over a minute left. The very next season the Ravens were eliminated by New England after Lee Evans dropped the go ahead touchdown and then Cundiff missed the tying kick. I can't help but think that if this happened to Sanchez nyjunce would be placing the blame on his receivers and kicker.
No. All other circumstances being even, Nacho is better than all of those guys. Some of these Jacakasses suggested Fitz, the one guy San hez routinely beats like a drum.
He was not bad vs. Minny, he was actually good against them. struggled vs. Den throwing his first INts of the year BUT led us to winning TD late. GB was a very windy day where neither O could do anything and his day looks worse b/c of 2 BS INTs, neither were INts and they credited him w/ 2. You can slide Cincy into the bad category he was very good at Pitt, a season saving win he was great at Miami he wasn't bad vs. Indy, he hwas bad in the first half, had an excellent 2nd half including leading us to a chip shot FG for the win at the gun. he was excelletn at NE he was good at Pitt he was very good in 2010, a major reason why we won 11 games. every QB has bad games. Bal: bad NE: excellent @Mia: excellent @Buf: good Min: good @Den: good GB: bad @Det: very good @ Cle: very good Hou: very good Cin: bad @NE: bad Mia bad @Pitt: very good @ Chi: good postseason: Ind: good NE: excellent Pitt: good he's 100 miles south of that b/c his main weapons were kelrey, schilens, gates, Cumberland & reuland this year. he had a 21-7 lead, an INT directly led to blowing that lead at Pitt 2 years ago but it was not his fault. He played very well at NE in 2011, his first time stepping up in postseason. That was not his fault, at pitt he was a major culprit. His D forced 3 TOs including SCORING a TD and setting up Joe and the O at the Pitt 16 for their final TD. To be fair he completed a big 3rd down throw for the TD but that's 14 pts scored/set up by the D- when has that ever happened for Sanchez in postseason? Flacco also fumbled setting up another 3 pts. The Houshmanzadeh pass was on 4th and 18, ot exactly a great situation to complete a pass. This is very interesting. In Flacco's 12 postseason games his D has forced 34 TOs, at least 1 in every game, in 10 of the 12 games at least 2, in 7 of the 12 3 or more. Do you think that helps an offense? In Sanchez's 6 postseason games the jets have forced 9 TOs, half of our games have seen just 1 TO and mark and his O have never turned it over more than once in a postseason game(happened 3 times), Joe's O turned it over 4 times in 3 games and 2 or more times in half their postseason games.
Green bay..... AyFKM?.... Green bay? He outplayed Rodgers only to get fucked by the officiating crew. That game gets called straight....he wins.
Junc and Hobbes are going to look pretty stupid in around 5 years when Sanchez is out of the league. Good news for you guys, he will still have those "GREAT" postseason statistics... they will remain unblemished, because he isn't getting there again. Will you still be propping them then up to show he's good?
